back in 2001 or 2002, a jw sister who i consider it as a friend confided in me that his son got df'd, she told me about all of the details.
he tried not to get df'd.
he started explaining to the elders why he committed fornication with another jw sister(also got df'd) is that he personally watched his uncle shot himself in the head.
Just to add
At the time I was living at home with my JW parents, and invited the elders into their house to back me in a corner. They were downstairs with the other two elders, not once did they intervene when they heard me crying my eyes out. Crazy!!!!!
back in 2001 or 2002, a jw sister who i consider it as a friend confided in me that his son got df'd, she told me about all of the details.
he tried not to get df'd.
he started explaining to the elders why he committed fornication with another jw sister(also got df'd) is that he personally watched his uncle shot himself in the head.
When I got disfellowshipped I never exactly had a JC, and thinking about it now im not quite sure if actually my DFing should have stood.
I was abused by an elder when I was young and like the majority who have been in that situation...nothing happened! The elders were told but it got swept under the carpet, luckily he wasnt and elder in our congregation, so I didnt have to put up with seeing him every week.
Anyway I got baptised at 15 and by the time i was 17, I had enough of feeling trapped. I started smoking and seeing someone who was not a JW. I think the elders heard rumors that I was smoking and they all came round to see me. I was petrified and hid in the bathroom and refused to talk to them, after 20 mins of them trying to coax me to open the door only one elder came in and talked to me. I said that I was confused, he gave me the emotional black mail and said he heard that I was smoking and knew that I had a non JW boyfriend that i had to choose, between my parents & the truth or my boyfriend and being part of the world. I was effectively backed in a corner and said that I was still confused. I was told the fact that I didnt out right choose the religion showed that my heart wasnt right and I loved my boyfriend at the time, who later became my husband (now ex) and two beautiful children. In a moment of rebellion and feeling angry that I was being backed into a corner I said that I wanted to be with my boyfriend. Then he said ok and left. The following meeting it was announced that I was disfellowshipped. This elder also knew what had happened to me when I was younger, yet he still came up to the bathroom and backed me in a corner.
I question weather my dfing should have stood because there was only one elder with me the other two were down stairs. I know they probably would have caught up with me soon or later but the approach they took were cruel. It really felt like I had committed a criminal act and the police turned up to arrest me, I wouldnt ever want to go through that hell again!!
I totally agree with the comments on here, but i think they make up their minds before they turn up to your house, weather you cry and cry it made no difference to my consequence. Perhaps they saw me as a liability within the org, knowing what happened to me when i was young, scared i would tell everyone my big secret that would make them look bad
Take care xx
i'm quite new to this site, & have realised some members have a union jack symbol under their avatar.
i don't.. could we have a "show of hands" from any uk members?
i've already found several by reading older posts..
Im in Hampshire where are you from bigmac?
http://www.boiseweekly.com/cobweb/archives/2010/07/22/door-to-door-atheists-strike-back-in-utah.
That was hilarious...thanks
commentary on mp3s: (in addition to circulate as you see fit!).
in light of the wts's recent attempts to conceal it's talks from broader inspection and documentation, mp3s to the public are now mostly the works of the 'conscious class' and those exjws who force themselves to endure hours upon hours of control-laced presentations.
kudos to all those who embody anonymous.
Thank you yknot, this has been a real eye opener.
Its been years since I went to any meetings and heard their words. Im halfway through listening to the DC, it is also the first time I have heard these words with an open mind. I find myself picking up on many contradictions in between wanting to . Listening to this has helped confirm what I am feeling towards the WBTS today.
Thank you again.
i'm currently visiting a psychologist/therapist to help me examine and work through my depression- i've had medical depression/anxiety all of my life.
i'm no longer anxious or excessively paranoid for the most part- that was a part of my younger childhood, probably from fears and nightmares of destruction at armageddon, and other childhood exaggerations and amplified fears.
but right now, she's treating me for a recent fall back into a depression.. anyways, for the most part, as you could guess, my depression stems from learning i have wasted my entire life (17 years) up to now in a cult, and pretty much my entire perceived world was nothing but an illusory concept.
Hi Confliction,
Great thread, try this link, it helped me try to understand the JW cult psychology:
www.mindfulconstrut.com/2009/95/21/dysfunctional-beliefs-and-you/
I hope you find some help in this.
Take care
i was watching the dc talk on the generation overlap (remain in the secret place most high) on you tube.
watched and listened to approx 3 mins on this video clip and already wanting to shout and scream.
but i also had this thought about the experiences they read out and how real they were or just another wts bs, for example in the bit i heard they gave an experience of a brother who is bipolar and his battle when in fds.
Sorry was a typing error..I meant to say Field Service.
The youtube video is "The complete doctrine change talk" there are 4 videos that cover from start to finish the Remain in the secret place most high talk at one of the DC's
i was watching the dc talk on the generation overlap (remain in the secret place most high) on you tube.
watched and listened to approx 3 mins on this video clip and already wanting to shout and scream.
but i also had this thought about the experiences they read out and how real they were or just another wts bs, for example in the bit i heard they gave an experience of a brother who is bipolar and his battle when in fds.
Good point serenitynow!...im still watching the talk an begining to think this talk is some sort of disclaimer...there is a subiminal message in this.
i was watching the dc talk on the generation overlap (remain in the secret place most high) on you tube.
watched and listened to approx 3 mins on this video clip and already wanting to shout and scream.
but i also had this thought about the experiences they read out and how real they were or just another wts bs, for example in the bit i heard they gave an experience of a brother who is bipolar and his battle when in fds.
Also while watching I couldnt help but noticing all those getting up and walking around during the big talk, made me think back to when I went to DC's, that was the best part as I remember.
I used to spend my time planning which moment I was going to tell my parents and what I was going to say to them to get up and walk around. Not listening to the talks I only ever really remember the baptism talk that I would enjoy but that was probably only because you got to see something visual, to break the monatmy
It makes me wonder if these people that are getting up wondering around are feeling the way I did at assemblies, will these wonderers be future JW net members.
I hope so!!!
i was watching the dc talk on the generation overlap (remain in the secret place most high) on you tube.
watched and listened to approx 3 mins on this video clip and already wanting to shout and scream.
but i also had this thought about the experiences they read out and how real they were or just another wts bs, for example in the bit i heard they gave an experience of a brother who is bipolar and his battle when in fds.
I was watching the DC talk on the generation overlap (Remain in the secret place most high) on you tube. Watched and listened to approx 3 mins on this video clip and already wanting to shout and scream.
But I also had this thought about the experiences they read out and how real they were or just another WTS BS, for example in the bit I heard they gave an experience of a brother who is bipolar and his battle when in FDS. Now wouldnt it be cool and fun, if after that talk you went up to that Elder who gave the talk and tell him how humbled you were by his experience and how this brother has given you more strength to carry out the WTS work. Then say how you would love to communicate with this brother and uplift him by telling him how he has help you spiritually. Then you ask the Elder "please brother please give me his name and the congreation he is from, I would love to communicate with this man personally ". What do you think this elders reply would be?
