i notice reported in a number of posts that this seems to a bit of a mantra with the dubbies now, more so than ever in the past.. is this because they are getting desperate for the life they live as jw's to change ?
they don't really want to end their days with the constant drudgery of the jw life still going on, they want something different, but must "wait on jehovah".
sigh.. i wonder if this is a small opportunity for us to sow some small, niggling doubt, why not ask, when they spew out the "it is soooo close" nonsense:.
I'd rather live this life to the full than waste time wishin' , and waitin' on another Life is a gift. It's foolish not to appreciate this one then look for another
Spending the life you were given waiting for the New System to arrive is basically like keeping your eyes shut through a movie you really wanted to see, in the hopes that the Theatre Manager will give you your money back at the end.
i notice reported in a number of posts that this seems to a bit of a mantra with the dubbies now, more so than ever in the past.. is this because they are getting desperate for the life they live as jw's to change ?
they don't really want to end their days with the constant drudgery of the jw life still going on, they want something different, but must "wait on jehovah".
sigh.. i wonder if this is a small opportunity for us to sow some small, niggling doubt, why not ask, when they spew out the "it is soooo close" nonsense:.
My wife's Uncle is in his high 70's, I've known him for decades. A nice guy (elder) but he always sounds so exhausted by life. You can never get through a conversation with him without him saying at least once in a sad tone "Boy....we sure do need the new system, don't we ? I tell ya, it can't be much longer now" Sometimes we time him to see how long it takes for him to utter this montra. I usually bite my tounge but sometimes I want to say, "but what ever will you have to talk about " or "Either we need the new system or maybe we need to not expect life to be so perfect".
*we are all from different cultural and educational backgrounds, we all experience different circumstances in life, and i don't mean to offend anyone on this forum in any way.*.
with that said here are my observations, and i want to know what you have observed.. in my experience i have noticed a trend: zealous witnessestend to exhibit the worst grammar when compared to non-witnesses!.
i want you to think back, or check it out for yourself if you haven't noticed it.. on social networks: compare comments on anything by jws (especially the uber-zealous ones) with those of your atheist or other religiously affiliated friends.
I have to chuckle all these posts about poor grammer that contain gramatical, punctuation, typing and spelling errors.
(Including some of my own. LOL) On another note, I once heard a brother give a talk where he referred to the arrogant religious leaders of Jesus day as having a certain self sat-is-fa-cation about themselves. This totally blew his credibility.
i made an effort to plow thru the latest bullsh*t from the wts in regard to the faithful slave, etc.
i must admit that, their latest set of interpretations make more sense than formerly.
they seem to have done away with 4-6 different 'comings' of jesus and they pretty much stuck everything in the future, so they are off the hook in the present.
Maybe Fred Franz was one of those millions then living who would never die...
Or maybe his nephew Ray was resurrected to heaven and is trying to undo all the nonsense Uncle Freddy started while he was here.
supposedly the reason jw's claim that celebrating birthdays is displeasing to god is because the bible mentions a pagan birthday celebation where john the baptist was beheaded.
if that's reason enough to ban birthday celebrations forever, then i'm suprised they didn't ban hunting since pagan nimrod was named in the bible as a hunter in opposition to jehovah who hunted for sport.
most hunters i know enjoy the meat they bring home of course, but mostly they hunt because they simply love to do it.
Actually, I knew a lot of JWs who thought it was wrong to hunt. But we are talking about city people.
Thankfully the were able to decide this for themselves rather than have a direct ban on hunting, from the society like they did with birthdays.
supposedly the reason jw's claim that celebrating birthdays is displeasing to god is because the bible mentions a pagan birthday celebation where john the baptist was beheaded.
if that's reason enough to ban birthday celebrations forever, then i'm suprised they didn't ban hunting since pagan nimrod was named in the bible as a hunter in opposition to jehovah who hunted for sport.
most hunters i know enjoy the meat they bring home of course, but mostly they hunt because they simply love to do it.
Supposedly the reason JW's claim that celebrating birthdays is displeasing to God is because the Bible mentions a pagan birthday celebation where John the Baptist was beheaded. If that's reason enough to ban birthday celebrations forever, then I'm suprised they didn't ban hunting since Pagan Nimrod was named in the Bible as a hunter in opposition to Jehovah who hunted for sport. Most hunters I know enjoy the meat they bring home of course, but mostly they hunt because they simply love to do it. It would be less time consuming and expensive (equipment, guns, hunting license etc,) for them in most cases to simply buy the meat they need or raise a few chickens etc. But hunting is a tradition and a way of life for some. Can you imagine what would have happened if the society,based on the same biblical logic as banning Birthdays, way back in the day, would have banned hunting and told JW's they could only eat meat they had purchased or had been raised for consumption? Even though it's the same skewed logic, they'd never have dared to mess with hunters. Likely many of the early fouders of the religion were hunters themselves. This is not an argument for or against hunting rather another way to show why some of the beliefs that JW's are proud to say sets them apart from mainstream Christianity, are illogcical.
this ad popped up a minute ago.
i have to wonder if going out in public on a bad hair days is a crime in her town.
maybe it should be.
Thats where she stashes all the stuff she shoplifts.
at the circuit overseer's talk last week he made the comment that some "of the friends" are finding it difficult to move ahead with jehovah's organization (tm).
the co said that a few had asked, "is it necessary to have 5 meetings a week, and a magazine every other week?".
"couldn't we do without one meeting a week, and have monthly editions of the watchtower?
Yes it is a funny thread "Wha Happened". Aren't they always mentioning that scripture in Hebrews 10:25 that says " Do not forsake the gathering of your selves together but do it all the more so as you behold the day drawing near" Now that we're really close to the end, instead of adding another opportunity to gather together, they drop the bookstudy. That meeting at one time, was considered the most important of them all. During the Trubulation we were going to meet at our bookstudy groups "underground" style. They even changed the name of it to "rendezvous" because we were going to have to be really secretive about it.
Such a joke....all those people I used to know, fell for this stuff hook line and sinker.
one of these is an old world monkey that almost looks human.
the other is a lesula.
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2012/09/13/47435.jpg.
They looked up Russell's family tree and found that most of his relatives were still living in it.
someone once quoted gandhi to me, but i don't actually think it was gandhi, saying that man can only be happy when what he says, what he believes and what he does are all in harmony.. how many of us led lives that meant all three of those were at loggerheads whilst jws?.
i came out as gay when still a witness, to my family first and then my friends.
they were all accepting of me, to varying degrees, but accepting.. i even asked the elders for help.
I imagine by not telling your family about your current arrangement, even though things have gone well for you, you might have a sort of incomplete feeling about your life. It would be sort of like going on a great vacation and then not being able to tell anyone about it or show them the photos. Not only that, you'd always have the feeling that any day someone from your family might arrive up at the doorstep or that somehow the whole matter had been discovered and you'd then be forced to deal with the topic on their time table.
I like the idea of breaking it to them gently over a period of time. Little indications that you've met someone without rubbing their noses in it. They must realize on some level that you have not been living like a Monk. Either way, all of us who have left the organization have had to make a similar choice. Do we just play along with the game and smolder inside or do we get it over with and suffer the consequences what ever they may be. This is the hard reality for those of us who one way or another, wound up being part of a religious cult.
