I did'nt see anyone speaking against anything...just a kind trusting man with a camera jammed in his face, doing the best he could to answer questions that became increasingly leading. Anyone can edit a video to make things seem a certain way. The Witness could have had some brilliant answers that were editied out. Someone who resorts to this kind of a mean spirited ploy looses all credibility with me. I'm for the Witness in this one !
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Apostate Signs At Conventions...Has Anybody Left Because Of That?
by mentallyfree31 injust wondering how much good that does when ex-jws hold up signs at conventions.
do you know of anybody that saw something on a sign and did research and subsequently left the organization?.
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Random K.Hall memories
by exwhyzee inat the hall i attended in the mid to late 70's the presiding overseer in our cong.
was a real hard nosed little man with control issues.
(the elders were reffered to as the gestapo crew.
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At the hall I attended in the mid to late 70's the Presiding Overseer in our Cong. was a real hard nosed little man with control issues. (The elders were reffered to as the Gestapo Crew.) For a time this P.O. required that all teen agers sit in the first two rows during the Sunday meeting and were required to answer questions during the Watchtower study that he had assigned to them the week before. These Teens put up with this for a time and their parents went along with it, but this arrangement came to and end when the kids with cars began leaving after the talk taking the rest of the teenagers with them. Some of the kids had muscle cars and would burn rubber out of the parking lot which could be heard inside. (my brother and I loved that part and would snicker until someone gave us the stink eye) Then they'd head out to study the WT as a group at someones house instead.
One time a elementary school aged kid was sitting in front of me during the Sunday talk. He asked his Mom to let him get up and go to the bathroom. (typical kid ploy to break up the monotony)After an unusually long time back there, his mother went back to see what was taking him so long. The next thing I knew, the red faced whimpering kid was being dragged down the aisle by his collar and was flung into the seat in front of me. Apparently while he was in the bathroom he'd found a pair of scissors in the cabinet under the sink and had given himself a haircut. He had very dark hair and white skin. There were white gouges all over his head where the chunks of hair was missing. (even my Mom was snickering over this one)
One time I changed a T to an F when we were correcting our answers during the "Written Review". The remorse set in later and I was pretty sure I was going to be destroyed at Armegeddon but that didn't stop me the next time. It seemed more important to have a good score after the meeting when the other kids asked how many you missed.
My Mom used to play the Piano for the meetings. We had arrived just as the meeting was about to start so she went straight up to the front, sat down at the piano and started taking her coat off. Suddenly she realized that in her haste to get ready, she'd forgotten to put on her dress and only had a slip on under her coat. She managed to play it off OK but we never let her live it down.
An older sister had convinced a Woman she had been calling on at the door, to allow her young son to come to the meeting one Sunday. During the meeting, someone through a rock through the window and the broken glass showered down on the kid and cut up his ear. The poor sister had to take him home to his mom all cut up and explain what happened.
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I like the people in my Kingdom Hall!
by lavozsa inthis may sound like a funny title, but it is actually true.
just to give a brief background on myself, i've been a jw for nearly 12 years now.
i didn't grow up in a jw family, nor is anyone else in my immediate family a jw (except my wife and her family).
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I know exactly what you mean about liking the people. Aside from the occasional odd job, most Witnesses are very good people. I imagine if I'd have grow up as a Mormon I'd probably feel the same way about them too. It was because of these lovely people that I overlooked a lot of my doubts and went along with things that seemed wrong. It wasnt until my young son was DF'd after going to the elders about a matter that things started becoming real. He went to them voluntarily and was repentant but they decided to DF him anyway because he had waited before telling them. A few months later he was Diagnosed with Cancer. My wife and I were left alone to go through his surgery and Chemo and a stint in the Isolation Ward. A few of his young friends came on the sly but none of the relatives were there for him. We sat through meetings where our son (bald from Chemo) was shunned by a building full of people he had known since childhood including Grandmother, aunts, uncles and cousins. When I told everybody at work about his diagnosis, they offered me their own sick leave so I could be there during his treatment ( i was new on the job) They asked me if we belonged to a Church where we could get support because this was key to surviving what was ahead of us. I lied and said yes and when they asked me what church, I side stepped the question not wanting to bring reproach on the organization. It was then that I realized that if I were to tell anyone the real situation that I was allowing to happen to my family, they'd have thought I was insane. My son is the kind of person any parent would be proud of and he would be welcome anywhere by anyone except at the place where he voluntarily chooses to go to worship God. All the good he had done his whole life and all the sacrafices he'd made up to that point were forgotten and he was kicked to the curb. We realized that if he didn't survive his cancer, we would be have to bury him alone. No funeral, no support because everyone we know is a Witness. I'm happy to report that he is a 2 year survivor but must be checked regularly for 5 years. He is reinstated but his Mom, siblings and I don't attend anymore. Ironically he does and according to the Society he probably shouldn't be having anything to do with us now ! We are in no man's land...we have no non witness friends or relatives and don't know how to fit in with the "world" we were raised not to be involved with.
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Apostate Signs At Conventions...Has Anybody Left Because Of That?
by mentallyfree31 injust wondering how much good that does when ex-jws hold up signs at conventions.
do you know of anybody that saw something on a sign and did research and subsequently left the organization?.
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Picketing outside the assembly grounds always confirmed in everyone's minds that the picketers were a little off if not toatlly wacked. I think it was meant to be more of an embarasment to the assembly goers than anything else.
I once saw them acting out some kind of skit (drama) where the Apostate person was making some kind of speech and a bunch of people with green bibles (meant to look like JW's) were standing around listening to him. When he fininshed they threw down their green bibles and walked off. The only thing was that no one uses the green bibles any more and these people were obviously planted there to look like witnesses only their cloths weren't spiffy enough for that to be so.
Another time during a session break I saw a guy ranting at the top of his voice about the WT and carrying a picket sign. A lady and her little ankle biter dog were passing by when suddenly the dog transformed into a snarling white hot ball of canine terror, and started attacking the guy as he hopped around trying to get untangled from the dog's leash. Everyone busted out laughing...it was pretty funny.
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Would You Believe This?
by snowbird ini've recently processed information on a leviticus, chronicle, jehoshaphat, and thessalonians?.
all males.. this here is the bible belt, i tell you!
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Finally Free Asked : I wonder if any JW ever named their daughter "Jael", and if a girl with that name would have a problem finding a husband.
Reply: Only if she were under 18 in which case she would be considered (wait for it)....Jael Bait
I did know a Witness woman named Shulamite...a very sweet older lady but I thought the name was odd because isn't a Shulamite someone from Shul or Shulam? I always wanted to call her Vegimite (as in Vegimite sandwich).
Then there was the Kid named Christian and his sister was Megan....everyone called them Christian and Pagan.
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Silly things I wondered as a kid
by exwhyzee inif god is like a loving father why did he set up a way for adam and eve to possibly fail by putting the "magic tree" in the garden?
if my dad sabotaged his kids this way or felt the need to test our love him he'd be considered an abusive father.. when god put an angel with a spinning sword in front of the entrance to the garden why didn't a&e walk a few miles down from there and climb over the wall ?
was there a wall ?.
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Techdotcom...you and I are on the same page on this. I never could figure out the whole Abraham/Issach thing. Nowadays people who hear God talking to them are put on medication. Lucky for Issach (if it ever happened) the voice stopped talking.
What about when the angels went into Sodom and Gomorrah and somebodys daughter was thrown out to be raped by all the men who wanted the angels ? Couldn't the angels have protected themselves? Why was it ok to sacrafice some innocent girl ? I remember my Mom just looking down at her shoes when she tried to explain this one. It doesn't add up....I think the Bible is full of things that aren't meant to be taken literally or any other way. There are a lot of scarey people who have so much invested in believing certain things and are so afraid of the implications of admitting that they don't understand everything that they will stop at nothing to force you to believe it, including letting an orginazation direct them to cut off their friends, family and loved ones who don't go along with the party line.
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Witness movie "Heritage"
by exwhyzee indoes anyone remember seeing the witness movie called "heritage" ?
it was made in the early 60's and they used to show it once a year at the kh when i was a kid.
(with guilty minds, we were secretly glad to see the projector set up in the middle section of the hall because it meant we didn't have to sit through another long boring talk.. even as a little kid i could see the one sided propaganda basicaly showing how empty "worldly" peoples lives were compared to ours and if you were a witness your family life would be idyllic like on "leave it to beaver".
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Hey Wasanelder-berry...any luck (I mean fortune) with the Heritage download?
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Nothing but THE TRUTH?
by Terry injehovah's witnesses teach the truth.. what they do not have is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.. they identify a source for their understanding.
but, it is a misidentification!.
jehovah's witnesses point to the installed king on the throne, christ jesus and to the new world translation for their instruction.. they are pointing in the wrong direction.
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I remember back in 1974 C.E. when Tract number 3 came out. They "likened (now there's a Witness term) Likened tract 1 and 2 to Joshua's march aroung Jerico and the 3rd tract was like the third march and trumpet blast that would bring the walls down. We were elated....it was "wash-day" at last. We scurried around as fast as we could and stuck them in everyone's doors without taking time to talk. I went up to a house and was in the middle of sliding the tract into the door jamb when the door flew open. It was a someone from my high school (horrors!) She was a chain smoking biker type chick that hung out with the rough crowd and she was just glaring at me. I scurried away after muttering something unintelligible (probably about Jerico and trumpets etc.) The following Monday at school, with all the venom she could muster, she yelled across the student commons for me not to bring anymore of my religious **** to her house. I was in full persecution mode so I figured this was to be expected...I was only doing my part to save mankind. That was 36 years ago and nothing happened...tick-tock. I never went to my high school reunions by the way.
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I used to be an apologist as well, however no more
by gubberningbody init's funny how when you think you've gotten queued up in the paradise line how you'll pooh pooh detractors.. age has a way of sobering you up.. of course the internet was a great help.. if you want to find out what's wrong with anything, all you have to do is select the topic and throw in a pejorative, and bam!, you've got hundreds if not thousands of people who'll give you the other side.. if you've not in a jw family, and you're not a mental troglodyte, i can't see anyone making that koolaid-bath plunge into jw-land..
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Ummmm.....what's and apologist ?
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Silly things I wondered as a kid
by exwhyzee inif god is like a loving father why did he set up a way for adam and eve to possibly fail by putting the "magic tree" in the garden?
if my dad sabotaged his kids this way or felt the need to test our love him he'd be considered an abusive father.. when god put an angel with a spinning sword in front of the entrance to the garden why didn't a&e walk a few miles down from there and climb over the wall ?
was there a wall ?.
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Terry,
My god man, what a thinker you were as a child!
Not really...it's just that I was I was continually presented with things that didn't need to know yet or that didn't make sense to me and was told that I would likely die if I didn't believe them. I never got to look into anyting or wonder or compare them to the different explainations out there. Everything you needed to know was in the publications.
How many kids grow up believing that God is going to kill their unbelieving father any day. I did !
How many 8 year old girls do you know who can raise their hand in a public meeting and discuss the spiritual significance of Circumcision? My Sisters could !
They rubbed a lot of the shine off of my childhood but thankfully couldn't vanquish the joy of youth altogether.