Posts by exwhyzee

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update and unexpected apology from JW housekeeper

by troubled mind in

my sister called me this evening to tell me the jw housekeeper for my father called to apologize for her behavior on friday !.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/216834/2/why-cant-i-just-have-one-day-with-out-seeing-a-jw-seriously.

the woman apologized to my sister for being harsh to her , and for being judgemental towards me .

exwhyzee

She may be truly sorry but it did cross my mind that she could be doing a little damage control. Maybe cleaning jobs are hard to come by these days?

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The Faithful and Discreet Slave - A JW Myth

by 00DAD in

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friends

probably this topic has been dealt with before, but i'm relatively new here, so perhaps y'all will be willing to indulge me in my pursuit for clarity.

regarding the anointed, the gb recently said this: .

"we thus have no way of knowing the exact number of anointed ones on earth; nor do we need to know.

Research Data Wanted: Married to a JW or child of one parent in and the other not

by Lady Lee in

i am looking for information from several groups of people.. people who are no longer jws but have a spouse who is still in.

never-been jwswas a jw (baptized or not) but left after marrying and spouse remained indfed, daed or faded and still have a spouse who is inchildren (now grown) who were raised with one parent a jw and the other never beenchildren (now grown) where one parent left the jws and one stayed in.if there are categories i have missed let me know.

i need this to be pretty inclusive and focused on couples where one person is a jw and the other is not.. i will be asking questions re:.

exwhyzee

The organisation emasculates any unbelieving husband who has to thereafter bow to the edicts of the society on all matters. Witnesses rarely compromise and

expect their spouses to fit in around them.

Areas such as family discipline and family honour are taken away from them and there is no privacy since faults and failings are free to be discussed with elders.

Nugget,

Well said, you really nailed it... It's as if you lived in my house growing up. My Dad pretty much had his kids and his marriage hijacked by this religion. Thanks for posting that comment.

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Why do we care?

by fade_away in

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friends

ok this thread might get my ass kicked by some of you in here, but don't take it the wrong way...i'm just curious, why do we care so much about the wt calling us "mentally diseased"?

i mean haven't we said far worse things about the wt and gb in this forum?

(i include myself)...i know many of us got all bent out of shape because of those two words they used on us and some of us are trying to get the law on our side, but if we could file lawsuits against them, then i'm sure they can just as easily get their money back by accusing us of "hate speech" and having this website shut down.

exwhyzee

And if you'll remember Greybeard, when this article came out, even the general public hadn't reached the point where they were openly talking about such things as they do now. Since the advent of reality TV and Jerry Springer like forums we've become used to hearing just about any topic discussed but it was pretty shocking stuff in those days. As a teen, I remember being quite embarrased/ashamed to be knocking on doors presenting magazines to total strangers when these kinds of topics were involved. I used to wonder how these old guys who'd been living in the house of God for decades, knew so much about these kinky topics and why it had to be presented to people who weren't even Witnesses.

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Why do we care?

by fade_away in

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friends

ok this thread might get my ass kicked by some of you in here, but don't take it the wrong way...i'm just curious, why do we care so much about the wt calling us "mentally diseased"?

i mean haven't we said far worse things about the wt and gb in this forum?

(i include myself)...i know many of us got all bent out of shape because of those two words they used on us and some of us are trying to get the law on our side, but if we could file lawsuits against them, then i'm sure they can just as easily get their money back by accusing us of "hate speech" and having this website shut down.

exwhyzee

Yep...I didn't get the whole uproar about the mentally diseased comment in the Watchtower either. I think what FADE_AWAY is saying, is that this sentiment, in one form or another, has always been conveyed by thier message. They believe that anyone who doesn't see "their" truth, especially former associates who have become worse than unbelievers, are being misled by Satan who twists minds and blinds eyes and renders nonbelievers worthy of death.

I think we all realize that most Witnesses are engaging in some form of "confabulation" where they fill in the gaps in their understanding of certain matters with fabrications they believe to be fact or truth.

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Watchtower Adam and the artists who portray him

by kurtbethel in

from the 1958 paradise book, we have adam chilling among his animal friends, evidently giving them names.

the artist did something very interesting in placing a squirrel in that location, chewing on some nuts!

right in that spot, of all places.

exwhyzee

Wouldn't it be kinda uncomfortable to be naked all the time? I mean, you would always have to watch out where you sat or kneeled down, you'd be covered with scratches and your feet would be like elephant hide and where would you put your car keys or loose change?

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Research Data Wanted: Married to a JW or child of one parent in and the other not

by Lady Lee in

i am looking for information from several groups of people.. people who are no longer jws but have a spouse who is still in.

never-been jwswas a jw (baptized or not) but left after marrying and spouse remained indfed, daed or faded and still have a spouse who is inchildren (now grown) who were raised with one parent a jw and the other never beenchildren (now grown) where one parent left the jws and one stayed in.if there are categories i have missed let me know.

i need this to be pretty inclusive and focused on couples where one person is a jw and the other is not.. i will be asking questions re:.

exwhyzee

I am in category 2. My questions would include:

What happens to a childs mental state when he/she hears a congregation of people gleefuly talking 3 times a week about Armegeddon only to be reminded that his/her non Witness father will be destroyed by God in the near future?

What's it like to grow up with a very decent father in your home but be considered a "fatherless boy" by everyone in the Hall who thinks he is a gonner?

What happens when your father listens to the JW's and dies from not taking a blood transfusion?

What happens to a kid who has no relatives living in the same country and has no non Witness adults in his life to get a little perspective from ?

What does it do to a kid when his non jW father is afraid his coworkers, neighbors and family will find out his wife and kids are JW's ?

What is it like to grow up seeing your lively and pretty mom be excluded from "couples" outings because she is a threat to the other women or throws off the numbers if she comes alone?

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Why can't I just have one day with out seeing a JW ......seriously

by troubled mind in

today i went early to my dad's house to help my disabled sister with medical paperwork .

at 10am the cleaning lady shows up .

she was a jw recruit of my mom's yrs ago, and use to be like a sister to us a really long time ago .

exwhyzee

You should have told her to quit sniffing the Windex and evaluating other peoples relationship with God.... get back to work.....and be a little more "whole souled" about it from now on.

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Are you afraid of using your cell phone at the KH

by Quarterback in

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friends

man oh man, .

i use my iphone, everywhere.

at work, in field service, at home, when i'm outside doing my walk.

exwhyzee

They probably thought you were making a "showy display of your means" by using your iphone in their presence.

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I've lurked a long time: JW's produce some of the most paranoid humans

by Unlearn in

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i'll keep this brief for now.. long time lurker (4 years or so).. born-in, elder, used on district level (last talk i gave before i left was the baptisimal talk), and lots of hard time put in...before i finally made the move to split.

it's a long stoy, much like many of yours...but with it's own little interesting twists.

more details in the future, perhaps.. as i said, ive lurked here for a while.. its funny: for a long time i'd only come on late at night.

exwhyzee

I am enjoying your posts Unlearn, In your own fresh way you have put into words what some of us have also thought and experienced ourselves. Isn't it freeing to realize you don't have to have a big picture answer for everyting in the universe and that you are not responsible for the whole world and it's salvation?

Funny thing is, even after having "left" some three years ago, I can still hear a little voice in me, arguing "for" the Watchtower point of view I've known since birth. I had several WT counterpoints for nearly every one of your comments.

When you talked about your secret doubts about Watchtower teachings and your desire to make a name for yourself in the organization I immediatly thought about their favorite scripture in James 1: 1-27 which talks about being " drawn out and enticed by ones own desire, desire when it becomes fertile, gives birth to sin." You know as well as I do that they would compare your experience to Adam and Eve who put more importance on their own selfish longings than their obedience to God when tempted by Satan and wound up being drawn away from him.

When you spoke about getting your wife "out" and giving non WT sanctioned advice to those who came to you as an Elder, I immediately thought of the Biblical warnings of "Wolves entering in among you in sheeps clothing not sparing the flock. They would use your experience as a classic example of how dangerous free thinkers are and how careful JW's should be about their association, even within the congregation and stress how important bringing these ones to the attention of the elders would be.

When you spoke about viewing the Apostate sites in the cover of night as if in secret from Jehovah. They'd say this is because evil loves darkness and avoides the light. They would use your "downfall" as proof that viewing unapproved websites is hazardous to ones spiritual health.

They would change the title of your thread and replace the word paranoid with cautious or consciencious. "JW's produce some of the most Paranoid cautious and consciencious humans." (cautious as serpents,innocent as doves)

Have you put all this kind of thinking behind you or do all the old JW reasonings still do battle with your new found frame of mind?

Although I completly understand how difficult it is to get out of the Org. especially for someone who would be dissapointing many by doing so. There is still a part of me that is angered to think that someone in a position of responsibility would continue advising people on matters he was no longer 100% sure of. My Father died because of advice he got from JW elders. It's terrible to think of all the individuals and families who were devistated by decisions made by Elders etc who were too cowardly or egotistical to step down until they had their issues with the organization resolved. But then again, I realize that we are all in different stages of our own personal development and enlightenment.