not to the j dubs... they think every other religion is strange for not accepting medical treatments or not believe in resuscitation. just like they think people are crazy for trying to convert them to another religion on the street.
rnicole76
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Was the JW Blood Doctrine Fred Franz's baby?
by Think About It inprior to 1945 the jw's took blood transfussions.
did fred franz go off on a psuedo- bible scholar/intellectual tangent and convince the steam room gang that jehovah wanted them to not take blood transfussions?.
blood factions are evidently a personal matter now.
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My sucky situation
by brotherdan inhi guys,.
sadly some of them had been in bethel for 5 - 10 years and were still cleaning toilets.. after about 2 years of it i couldn't do it anymore.
i always knew something wasn't quite right with this organization.
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rnicole76
don't think it is easy to share your thoughts with your wife and expect for her to believe that it is not the truth. She has to find out on her own. Hopefully one day she will. I think the elders will know about why she may wants a divorce since you never committed adultery. The elders may ask questions on it to your wife and she may tell them that you have apostate like attitude and possibly get you df'd for it. I don't know too much about that. I'm sure other members will know about that situation. If your family members are in the truth and since you have children with her, i say just drop the subject and stop going to the meetings.
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Remain Close to the Governing Body DC
by gutted ini just finished all 3 days of the dc and, for what it's worth, wanted to get down some of the highlights i enjoyed.
i went with family and i only did it for them, and hope to never attend another assembly ever again.. .
the whole thing was pretty boring and uncomfortable due to the stadium style seating which doesn't favour my long legs and ac being blasted too high.. .
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rnicole76
i remember them saying "obey the organization's instructions and you will remain close to jehovah"i also remember them saying "don't make up an excuse to speak to your df'd relative if he/she lives outside your house. It is not your fault. They did this to themselves..." More don't talk to df'd people speech....
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Which blood fractions JW's won't accept
by XPeterX incan a jw for instance accept blood from others after it has been fractioned but instead of some components only be administered with all blood fractions?.
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rnicole76
is it even possible to take blood fractions? these hospitals would just say either you take blood or you don't
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I feel so alone within Jw's
by XPeterX inwhy won't any jw call me?i always call them and they avoid me or meet me only for study and meetings.they won't even start a conversation with me on msn!i feel somewhat uncomfortable within jw 'friends'.i have prayed a lot about this all of my adolescent years and still no response.did this happen to you too?.
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rnicole76
this is the earliest quote on the subject i can find on watchtower library. this is the past stand the WBTS has on organ trasnplant if you do not know. this is from the 11/15/1967 watchtower
Questions From Readers
? Is there any Scriptural objection to donating one’s body for use in medical research or to accepting organs for transplant from such a source?—W. L., U.S.A.
A number of issues are involved in this matter, including the propriety of organ transplants and autopsies. Quite often human emotion is the only factor considered when individuals decide these matters. It would be good, though, for Christians to consider the Scriptural principles that apply, and then make decisions in harmony with these principles so as to be pleasing to Jehovah.—Acts 24:16.
First, it would be well to have in mind that organ transplant operations, such as are now being performed in an attempt to repair the body or extend a life-span, were not the custom thousands of years ago, so we cannot expect to find legislation in the Bible on transplanting human organs. Yet, this does not mean that we have no indication of God’s view of such matters.
When Jehovah for the first time allowed humans to eat animal flesh, he explained matters this way to Noah: “A fear of you and a terror of you will continue upon every living creature of the earth and upon every flying creature of the heavens, upon everything that goes moving on the ground, and upon all the fishes of the sea. Into your hand they are now given. Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to you. Only flesh with its soul—its blood—you must not eat.” (Gen. 9:2-4) That allowance was made to Noah, from whom every person now alive descended. Hence, it applies to all of us.
Humans were allowed by God to eat animal flesh and to sustain their human lives by taking the lives of animals, though they were not permitted to eat blood. Did this include eating human flesh, sustaining one’s life by means of the body or part of the body of another human, alive or dead? No! That would be cannibalism, a practice abhorrent to all civilized people. Jehovah clearly made a distinction between the lives of animals and the lives of humans, mankind being created in God’s image, with his qualities. (Gen. 1:27) This distinction is evident in His next words. God proceeded to show that man’s life is sacred and is not to be taken at will, as may be done with the animals to be used for food. To show disrespect for the sanctity of human life would make one liable to have his own life taken.—Gen. 9:5, 6.
When there is a diseased or defective organ, the usual way health is restored is by taking in nutrients. The body uses the food eaten to repair or heal the organ, gradually replacing the cells. When men of science conclude that this normal process will no longer work and they suggest removing the organ and replacing it directly with an organ from another human, this is simply a shortcut. Those who submit to such operations are thus living off the flesh of another human. That is cannibalistic. However, in allowing man to eat animal flesh Jehovah God did not grant permission for humans to try to perpetuate their lives by cannibalistically taking into their bodies human flesh, whether chewed or in the form of whole organs or body parts taken from others.
It is of interest to note that in its discussion of cannibalism the Encyclopœdia of Religion and Ethics, edited by James Hastings, Volume 3, page 199, has a section designated “Medical cannibalism.” It points out that this is associated with the idea of obtaining strength or some medical virtue from the flesh of another human, adding: “The most remarkable example of this practice occurs in China. Among the poor it is not uncommon for a member of the family to cut a piece of flesh from arm or leg, which is cooked and then given to a sick relative. . . . The whole superstition in China is certainly connected with the idea that the eating of the human body strengthens the eater. . . . Among savages the practice is found of giving a sick man some blood to drink drawn from the veins of a relative.” Some might argue that therapeutic practices involved in modern organ transplant operations are more scientific than such primitive treatment. Nonetheless, it is evident that men practicing medicine have not been beyond using treatments that amount to cannibalism if such have been thought justified.
Modern science has developed many different types of operations that involve human body parts, some common and usually successful and others experimental and often unsuccessful. It is not our place to decide whether such operations are advisable or warranted from a scientific or medical standpoint. It would be well, though, for Christians faced with a decision in this regard to consider the indication as to God’s viewpoint presented in the Scriptures.—Eph. 5:10.
At present scientific researchers are starting to use artificial or animal parts where formerly human parts were thought necessary, such as in the case of cornea transplants. (See, for instance, Science News for May 21, 1966, page 396, and Time for April 28, 1967, pages 68 and 70.) Whether wider use of such operations will be made, we do not know. Nor can we decide whether a Christian should accept some animal part as a transplant; that is for personal decision. (Gal. 6:5) However, we can be sure that in the future the time will come when all human medical operations will be unnecessary. (Rev. 21:4) Christians have strong evidence that the new order is near at hand when Jehovah the Great Physician will, through Jesus, do healing beyond the limitations of medical science of today.—Mark 8:22-25; John 11:43, 44; Acts 3:6, 7; Matt. 12:15.
What should be done, though, when a Christian is asked to provide an organ for use in another person or to allow the body part of a deceased loved one to be so used? We might ask, If a Christian decided personally that he would not sustain his own life with the flesh of another imperfect human, could he conscientiously allow part of his flesh to be used in that way to sustain someone else?
Even from a medical standpoint there is some question as to the wisdom and ethicalness of some transplants. One physician discussed this publicly in the Annals of Internal Medicine, citing the results of 244 kidney-transplant operations. In the majority of cases the recipient did not live more than a year after the operation. Then, commenting on the dangers for the volunteer who donates one of his kidneys, the doctor asked: “Is it right to subject a healthy person . . . to the possibility . . . of shortening his life by 25 or 30 years in order to extend another’s life by 25 or 30 months or less?” Reporting on this, Newsweek, of March 2, 1964, page 74, added that the doctor “offers no conclusive answer, but he suggests that the question needs to be asked more often.”
When it comes to deciding what to do with one’s own body or with the body of a deceased loved one, for which a Christian is responsible, the apostle Paul’s words at Romans 12:1 should not be overlooked: “I entreat you by the compassions of God, brothers, to present your bodies a sacrifice living, holy, acceptable to God, a sacred service with your power of reason.” Baptized Christians have dedicated their lives, bodies included, to do the will of Jehovah their Creator. In view of this, can such a person donate his body or part of it for unrestricted use by doctors or others? Does a human have a God-given right to dedicate his body organs to scientific experimentation? Is it proper for him to allow such to be done with the body of a loved one? These are questions worthy of serious consideration.
Not to be overlooked is the use to which a dead body might be put. Would a Christian who, while living, refused to give his blood to be used as a transfusion for some other person, allow his body to be turned over to a group or to a person and possibly at that time have the blood removed and used for transfusion, as has been done with some cadavers? (See, for example, Awake! of October 22, 1962, page 30.) A person might feel that he could stipulate that his body not be used in that way; but if many persons in authority refuse to abide by a Christian’s wishes about blood when he is alive, what reason is there to believe they will show more respect for his wishes after his death? Would they use his organs in cannibalistic medical experiments?
Our bodies are the creation of Jehovah God. (Ps. 100:3; 95:6; Job 10:8) Christians might allow apparently necessary surgery to be performed, such as to remove a diseased limb, but they do not needlessly mutilate their bodies created by Jehovah. Would allowing a body to be mutilated after death be showing respect for and appreciation of God’s creation? True, in some instances there may be legal requirements that Christians abide by, such as when the law requires a postmortem examination to determine the cause of death. (Rom. 13:1, 7; Mark 12:17) In such cases the next of kin can usually request that the organs not be removed for transplant or reuse. In this way, even though an autopsy might be required, the Christian can prevent misuse of the body of a loved one. But when such laws do not apply, the Christian can decide in such a way as to avoid unnecessary mutilation and any possible misuse of the body. Thus he will be able to have a clear conscience before God.—1 Pet. 3:16.
It should be evident from this discussion that Christians who have been enlightened by God’s Word do not need to make these decisions simply on the basis of personal whim or emotion. They can consider the divine principles recorded in the Scriptures and use these in making personal decisions as they look to God for direction, trusting him and putting their confidence in the future that he has in store for those who love him.—Prov. 3:5, 6; Ps. 119:105. -
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I feel so alone within Jw's
by XPeterX inwhy won't any jw call me?i always call them and they avoid me or meet me only for study and meetings.they won't even start a conversation with me on msn!i feel somewhat uncomfortable within jw 'friends'.i have prayed a lot about this all of my adolescent years and still no response.did this happen to you too?.
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rnicole76
Okay, two points.
1. you support the doctrine with bible scriptures. When the WBTS didn't support organ transplant, jehovah witnesses then use the scriptures to show its wrong. But now you can accept organs. Didn't you think the bible says accepting organs is cannibalism and just plain wrong? Why the organization changed the doctrine?
2. 1 corinthians 5:11 did say do not associate with a person who claimed to be a believer but commit these sins listed in the scriptures. which in other words, is called a hypocrite. What does this scripture has to do with people that want to leave the organization? They are not hypocrites. They don't believe in the doctrines anymore. They are not going around claiming to be christians but commit these sins too. yes according to 1 corinthians 5:12 it saying why judge people on the outside but you don't judge people within your church? 1 corinthians 5:13 is saying that God will judge the people on the outside, just remove the wicked person from the church. It didn't say label the person as disfellowshipped and shun the person. In a sense you are cleansing the congregation, but shunning the person on the outside has nothing to do with cleansing the congregation.
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To those still "active", what makes you keep going to meetings?
by Cindi_67 ini've been reading a lot of posts and a lot of you here on the board, are "active" members, attend all meetings and conventions, go out in field service, even help with quick builds.
i don't want this to sound like i am disrespecting anybody, but what makes you lead a double life?
doesn't anybody at the hall notice your lack of interest?
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rnicole76
my momma
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The sweet sound of a critic
by Lady Lee ingot this email.
i am not a jehovah witnesses, but all my family are......i saw your video on "youtube" and what you said about them is despicable and i think your hypocrisy in your face made me sick... shut your mouth and have respect for all religions.... i can say bad things about all religions but i have the decency to respect their faith and their thoughts... guest who is next to me seeing me writing this email to you nothing but a musulman friend, and a jewish friend and by the way they say that you are a sick old lady.... -------------.
this is in reference to the video clip on you tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viswagy_emg that is a short clip from a much longer interview (85 minutes).
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rnicole76
he has to be a jehovah witness himself...a young one at that. if this religion is so wonderful, why he is not in it? he has to be a pretend worldly person to make you feel bad.
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JW replies on my Shunning article
by besty ini have a google article on shunning -.
http://knol.google.com/k/why-jehovah-s-witnesses-practice-religious-shunning#.
its had almost 15,000 page views :-).
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rnicole76
I would tell the person how does he know the person is unrepentent in the first place? He is talking to worldly people who unrepentently commit a sin. What is the difference between a person who dedicated his life to the gb through baptism and a worldy person and they both don't follow the bible? He is saying "oh the bible said this" the bible didn't flat out said "avoid the people who doesn't follow the order of a group of men on this earth" the gb interpretted it that way. big difference there.
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Can I ask elders a question without getting in trouble?
by NiceDream inrecently i found no scriptural evidence to support 607 or therefore 1914. and the new overlapping generation really bothers my conscience because i don't see how it is scripturally supported.. .
if i write a letter to bethel, or talk with local elders, i am afraid of getting df'd because i don't want to cause family conflict (with my spouse's family, not mine).
i asked my spouse if it would be ok if i talked with an elder because i want answers, but don't want to cause family problems.
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rnicole76
I wouldn't ask them a question. If i had a question, i would look it up. I had a question about the watchtower's history. I know not even my mother knows so i look it up. You won't get them to think by asking them a question. They will say look in the watchtower or quote what it says. Nothing comes from their free thinking but the watchtower.