hi guys,.
what helped you guys get over your anger of being shunned, dealt with unfairly, ignored, etc?.
my wife and i found comfort in each other.
Ashi.
Who does the anger hurt? Does it hurt them or you? Anger is a feeling that comes when finding out how one has been grossly lied to and being hurt and having your family hurt by the lies. So we go thru the anger and get to a place of sadness and finally to a place of letting it go. We have to because - Who does anger hurt? Does it hurt you or them?
JJ
i feel cheated because i wouldnt know what its like to experience pregnancy and the birth of my children the way it was meant to be.. a completely natural and joyous event in human life was sabotaged by this religion!.
im sure there are others who know what i mean.. i would be interested to hear stories of others who have had children both inside and out of this organization.. i would like to explain what i mean.. i was raised as a witness and was always expected to be an example.
from as far back as i can remember we were taught that armageddon was just around the corner.
When I was pregnant with my second child, my mother-in-law, who was a JW was visiting for 17 days. Why 17 days I never understood. She told me that I should not be having children in this system and all the other insane ramblings that you have put up with. I was not a witness at the time and I cursed her up one side and down the other. Told her she had her kids and I was going to have mine. She didn't mention it again for the time she stayed with me because of my tearing into her. But I kept receiving books and letters of why it was wrong to be pregnant. And right. Was I suppose to have an abortion or was I to stop having sex with my husband?
After not being back at the King dumbhall for 10 years, I noticed that the ones that were going to wait until the new system had children. What happened there? I watched the kids and was horrified at how they acted, subdued, depressed, frightened. I felt fortunate that my children and I attended for only 5 years and then left. Of course there is the residual aftermath of having been involved for those years. And even before I was baptized, I didn't celebrate holidays or birthdays. You see, I was studying for 17 years off and on.
I came up with a way to celebrate at other times. I called it "Love Days." 6 times a year I would decorate with a theme and buy presents and put up signs in the house that a Love Day was on the way. They always got excited about these. Love Day always took a weekend of total involvement with the family. But even with that, there is the feeling of not being part of society and it is hard for them, and me, to celebrate the holidays. I am truly sorry that I got them involved in this religion, but so thankful that I rebelled thru most of it in that we joined the YMCA, all went to college including me at age 46 and we all graduated.
My two oldest children celebrate holidays and one believes there is a God but who is it and one believes that there is no God. My youngest was back at the King dumbhall for 7 months and has left for good. I am happy that I started going back to see what was going on so that I could expose them for what they are. In showing my son the UN letter and talking about the changing blood issue, and having him read the posts here, he finally said, "If the witness are the true religion, I don't want to live forever with them because I want to be happy and not depressed forever.
I guess this was a bit off of the subject but had to get that out.
Thanks
JJ
a friend just called me and told me to check out chicagotribune.com.
below is the article to which he pointed me.
warning: it's very disturbing.. .
Mommy
You said, "Isn't the loss of a child at your own hand enough to live with?" The coward tried to take his life because he got caught this time because his daughter died. Think about how many years that poor girl and her siblings have been beaten and abused. He tried to kill himself to take the easy way out. Do you really believe that he sits and is sorry that he beat his daughter to death? He is probably mad at her for dying instead of recovering to be beat again.
Death penalty would be too easy for him and his ferangie wife. They should be put in prison for life and let the inmates take care of them. Even if that happens, I don't think they will ever experience the fear of those children being beaten at whim from the very people who are supposed to love them. Body and mind murdered over and over and over again.
Judith
ok all you ex's, be honest.
do you ever have that little voice pop in your head and say "what if - just what if they're right?".
it happens to me on occasion and i've been totally out for years.
I left in 1994 and would have those thoughts that they were the "True" religion. Tried to celebrate Xmas and other holidays and always felt guilty, that Jah would punish me. And get this, I thought that maybe a witness would see me practicing holidays and then what would I do? Somehow I believed that god would forgive but I knew that the witnesses never would. Why I didn't catch on to this being upside down thinking I don't know.
After trying for reinstatement this summer, going to all the meetings and watching the people and what they were regurgitating, the change in the blood doctrine (this was the final straw for me) the UN, watching my youngest son turning into a glassy-eyed JW freak, I said ENOUGH! NO MORE!
For a few weeks, I felt the pangs of what if they are right and I am wrong? I boxed up my considerable JW libary and put them in the garage. I felt uneasy just removing the literature but I did it anyway. I wrote down the reasons why the WTS is WRONG! I referred to my list in times of doubt and did more research and I know that it was all an illusion as to it being the truth.
Do I get those pangs of maybe it was the truth? Less all the time. I am deprogramming. I carved pumpkins for Halloween and stuffed Xmas light inside them and proudly put them on my front porch. There will be a Xmas tree this year and I am FREE to be me. How cool is that?
Write the list of the lies and the failed prophecies and refer to when necessary.
JJ
hey ... i'm just getting into the swing of this great 'apostasy' thing right ... ?
... i thought y'all out there might well have a story or two to tell, so ... plz tell me tell me tell me about the most embarrasing thing you ever saw at a meeting ...
I took my neice and nephew, ages 5 and 3 to the kingdom hall because I was watching them overnight and couldn't miss a meeting. I gave them "My Book of Bible Stories" to look at while the meeting was going on. In the middle of the talk, my neice says, in her biggest voice, "Look, it's Aunt Judy" as she held the book up to people behind us and pointing to Jezebel. Ha ha ha.
Guess some of the sisters were right when they said I would have to tone myself down a bit if I wanted to go out in service.
JJ
in a recent post metatron and judith mentioned in passing that dubs they knew had been involved in satanic rituals.
forgive my morbid curiousity, but exactly what sorts of rituals were these?.
bear in mind that as dubs we were told that the rituals of the roman catholic church were satanic, that smurfs were satanic, that rock'n'roll was satanic, etc., etc.
Seeker.
Points well taken.
Can't prove that Smurf dolls didn't do what they are accused of doing. A rational person would find it highly unlikely. But abuse that has been documented in other areas aside from the WTS, make it more plausable that abuse did happen. So sorry for victims who are not believed. Yes, I agree that some memories are false and some real memories are added to but we all know abuse happens. As to Satanic rituals, I have never witnessed it, only heard about it, but don't know enough to expound it.
Anything conceived by the human mind is possible but not provable. Hmmm. Will have to give further thought.
JJ
in a recent post metatron and judith mentioned in passing that dubs they knew had been involved in satanic rituals.
forgive my morbid curiousity, but exactly what sorts of rituals were these?.
bear in mind that as dubs we were told that the rituals of the roman catholic church were satanic, that smurfs were satanic, that rock'n'roll was satanic, etc., etc.
Seeker.
Is it not up to the JW's to prove that these things don't happen? So many have come forward to testify to the abuse. Can they all be lying? Is there not more evidence of truth when many tell the same stories of abuse?
I cannot prove the abuse I received from my x husband or my father, but I have the mental scars, the behaviors, the survivor attitude.
A JW will turn your story, no matter how much evidence you have, upside down and inside out. They will twist and turn you until you think perhaps you or others have made things up or it is not really that bad.
There is the evidence of the UN involvement and when showing this document to JW's they poo poo it as apostate propaganda. And they tell you about a library card and then it is just fine isn't it.
I was teetering on the edge of believing no more and then, cleaning the JW puss from my eyes, they were riding the beast, locking their doors to the people in New York, lies abounded about their helping.
And by the way, Are those Sodimites coming back or not? Where's the proof?
Is the Governing Body getting it's info directly from God? Where's the proof?
Is blood acceptable by Bible standards? Has it always been acceptable by Bible standards? Are the GB eating Kosher meat that has been bled properly? Are we still under the law to do that? Where's the proof?
New Light?, Old Light?, Whoops! New Light again. Where's the proof?
JJ
i personally spoke to a brother who works in public affairs dept @ headquarters.
the dept was formed back in 1991-92 to help with media events worldwide.. at that time, the idea was to have access to current worldwide information.
this would allow brothers to assist and have a better grasp on worlwide situations.. however- many many in the group did not agree that this association should take place!!
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in a recent post metatron and judith mentioned in passing that dubs they knew had been involved in satanic rituals.
forgive my morbid curiousity, but exactly what sorts of rituals were these?.
bear in mind that as dubs we were told that the rituals of the roman catholic church were satanic, that smurfs were satanic, that rock'n'roll was satanic, etc., etc.
Silent
What you have written is what I was told by a woman in a counseling session. Unbelievable atrocities committed against children.
One tries not to believe because it is so disgusting, so evil, so unimaginable that anyone could use and abuse a child.
And thinking that the WTS is from God, it becomes dismissed as rumor or apostates making things up to cause trouble.
I hope these sub-humans are dealt with quickly so that other children may be saved from this horror.
JJ
i attended a seventh day adventist funeral today.
she was a really nice person that i had worked with some years ago.
she was kind to everyone, never a bad word about anyone, always willing to help, and didn't toss her religion down your throat.
Hi Barry.
Thank you for the information on Adventism and your suggestions for finding another religion. I was thinking about getting in touch with a Baptist friend whom I have not talked to in years. We parted ways because of the JW religion. Since I was a Baptist while young, as you pointed out, I may start my journey back to religion from there.
And, Barry, so nice of you to pray for me.
JJ
