Freedom
It's knowing there aren't any limits. It's having the confidence of knowing who you are and where you're going. It's the power to make your own choices.
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Judith
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freedom
by teejay inmonday, nov. 26, 2001. even chaos is a gift, when it follows a five-year curse.
in the afghan capital .
of kabul, as in other cities suddenly set free from the taliban's medieval .
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Reviling - have you been admonished not to
by Judith inthere was a talk in august or september of this year that told what men's places were, women's places were, and children.
i can't find my notes (think i threw them away when i angry and reviled the wts.).
i do remember the speaker telling women not to revile their husbands.
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Judith
Hi Lonewolf
Reviling - abuse in speech or writing. So you reviled the person telling you to stop talking. Did they not even warn you? Just threw you out? Or did you revile them also?
In my notes of 10-7-01, The speaker said, "the woman is not to tell anyone about her abusive husband. It would be slander and that would be reviling. That also happened to be the last meeting I attended.
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What is marking about?
by Missie Eff ini have a good freind here with me this evening.
(celtic, if you're around you know her - it's liane).
there is something that has always puzzled both of us.
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Judith
My daughter was marked when she was 16 because some girls told their parents that she was drawing demonic images and writing demonic stories. The elders called a meeting and we were told to bring all of her artwork and stories to be viewed. We did that and they asked her where did she get her ideas for her drawings. My daughter told them from the book of revelation. She wanted to be an artist at Bethel when she graduated Highschool. They told her that only men could be artists so that she need not pursue her artwork. Her writing that was in question was about hunting from the deer's point of view. They actually asked her, "Do you believe that deer can talk? My daughter and I looked at each other is disbelief. She answered and said, "I know they can't talk. They are animals and it is just a story."
Her best friend was an elders daughter and she called my daughter and told her she would no longer be able to associate with her because of her artwork and stories and that she would have to destroy all of it before anyone would talk with her. We were not told this at the elders meeting but obviously they passed the message on.
My daughter was the "perfect witness" in their eyes before this and now she was marked as a bad associate. I went to the elders and they said they knew that my daughter had done nothing wrong and was not demon possessed as the other girls had said but that I should wait upon Jah to straighten things out. We were no longer asked to go out in service, no more helping at the conventions, no more association with the people at the hall. I was told a story of a man who waited 10 years before the wrong was righted so I should do the same.
One day we were the perfect witness family and the next we were marked.
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Who are the true worshippers of God?
by AGuest inmay you all have peace!
(yes, i know i am starting a new thread when one already exists, but most of you know me by now...).
the 'true' worshippers of god are those that worship him... in spirit... and in truth.
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Judith
Hi Ken
Just what I was thinking is what you just wrote. Indeed, what sin did the animals commit? God, if there is such a being, supposedly knows of every sparrow that falls. Is that like counting all the red cars you see when on a trip to pass the time? So the sparrows are falling and people are sighing and crying out and dying and nothing intercedes.
JJ
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Reviling - have you been admonished not to
by Judith inthere was a talk in august or september of this year that told what men's places were, women's places were, and children.
i can't find my notes (think i threw them away when i angry and reviled the wts.).
i do remember the speaker telling women not to revile their husbands.
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Judith
There was a talk in August or September of this year that told what men's places were, women's places were, and children. I can't find my notes (think I threw them away when I angry and reviled the WTS.)
I do remember the speaker telling women not to revile their husbands. How would it look in the congregation if a sister (notice only sisters were mentioned and not brothers)went around talking abusively about her husband even if he was. She should let Jah take care of the problem. You know, more field service, etc.
What I got from that talk (besides a headache) was that keep the abuse to yourself.
Does anyone remember that talk? What were your thoughts about not reviling?
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Can you be a glutton and inherit god's kingdom?
by Judith ini was looking for the scripture about who will inherit god's kingdom and can't find it because i packed up all my books and stored them.
is there mention of gluttony being one of the things that will keep you out?
proverbs 23:20 says a drunkard and a glutton will come to proverty.. proverbs 28:7 says one having companionship with a flutton humiliates his father.. so if i can't take blood transfusions, be a drunkard, lie with same sex people, etc.
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Judith
Mum - I can see your point about some not wanting to socialize but I think that my be society and not the JW society. There were always plenty of bigger people at the functions for the hall.
Ozziepost - you say that greed cannot be quantified like adultery or stealing. I agree.
Definitions of greed include grasping, voracious, ravenous, gluttonous. Interesting that it is in the Flock book and yet not acted upon. They are so quick to expell.Marilyn - There was a talk in September I believe that told sisters not to be reviling their husbands, even if they were not in the truth but especially if they were in the truth. No mention was made to the men about it though. Did they tell your friend to stop the reviling or they just had a meeting and df'd him?
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Can you be a glutton and inherit god's kingdom?
by Judith ini was looking for the scripture about who will inherit god's kingdom and can't find it because i packed up all my books and stored them.
is there mention of gluttony being one of the things that will keep you out?
proverbs 23:20 says a drunkard and a glutton will come to proverty.. proverbs 28:7 says one having companionship with a flutton humiliates his father.. so if i can't take blood transfusions, be a drunkard, lie with same sex people, etc.
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Judith
Hi Gopher.
I posted before I saw your response.
Yes I would really appreciate the scripture if you don't mind.
I know some have a glandular problem or whatever but I watched the food consumed by so many in my hall and know that frustration and boredom is the problem with most of them. IMO. When I went to potlucks at other events, I took one dish to pass. When I attended a JW function, I knew I had to take at least two or three.
JBB
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Can you be a glutton and inherit god's kingdom?
by Judith ini was looking for the scripture about who will inherit god's kingdom and can't find it because i packed up all my books and stored them.
is there mention of gluttony being one of the things that will keep you out?
proverbs 23:20 says a drunkard and a glutton will come to proverty.. proverbs 28:7 says one having companionship with a flutton humiliates his father.. so if i can't take blood transfusions, be a drunkard, lie with same sex people, etc.
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Judith
Hi Unclebruce.
Funny man, where can I find the "let's start a fight thread? <grin>
Hi Celebrate. I am not putting overweight people down. I have dear friends of all sizes. I was trying to point out that there are things mentioned in the bible that will keep a person from the kingdom and wanted to know where the scripture can be located. For some reason I remember gluttony as being one of the reasons. I am not judging a person's weight being related to gluttony. I am trying to find out if God does indeed judge gluttony to the point of keeping such persons out of the new system.
If someone can point the way to the scripture, I would appreciate it. If someone can be da'ed and df'ed for some things because the bible says it is so then if gluttony is one of those things, I want to know why the WTS doesn't come down on them and chase them away too.
Cygnus. You are so funny! Spit my m and m's into the computer screen. What a mess. But worth the laughing.
Anybody have the scripture?
Thanks
JBB
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Can you be a glutton and inherit god's kingdom?
by Judith ini was looking for the scripture about who will inherit god's kingdom and can't find it because i packed up all my books and stored them.
is there mention of gluttony being one of the things that will keep you out?
proverbs 23:20 says a drunkard and a glutton will come to proverty.. proverbs 28:7 says one having companionship with a flutton humiliates his father.. so if i can't take blood transfusions, be a drunkard, lie with same sex people, etc.
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Judith
I was looking for the scripture about who will inherit God's Kingdom and can't find it because I packed up all my books and stored them. Is there mention of gluttony being one of the things that will keep you out?
Proverbs 23:20 says a drunkard and a glutton will come to proverty.
Proverbs 28:7 says one having companionship with a flutton humiliates his father.So if I can't take blood transfusions, be a drunkard, lie with same sex people, etc. how come I can be a glutton and that is okay?
That is why I am looking for the scripture. Help will be greatly appreciated.
On my return to the Kingdom hall this summer after being gone for 9 years, I noticed how big alot of the people had become. Some were well over 3 or 4 hundred pounds and the kids were bigger then I remember.
Gatherings of witnesses were always food fests. I remember two women saying that they do so much eating because they are not allowed to do anything else. They are still at the hall. One man who was about 150 pounds overweight, commented that he was on a diet. I asked what kind of diet and he gave the JW answer "The see food diet" Everything I see I eat. Ha ha" He is still at the hall but can barely walk because he has put on more weight.
So getting back to my original question, Can you be a glutton and inherit God's kingdom?
JBB
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Christmas
by ARoarer inhey everyone, i am thinking of having a tree this year for the very first time since i stopped going to the kh.
although i am not disfellowshipped and i have not written a letter to disassociate, the closest friends i have had over the years as a witness have all chosen to avoid me and my family unless we return to the hall.
unofficial shunning by those who we have loved.
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Judith
Don't know if I am buying a tree this year. I have no ornaments or decorations so it would be a big project. I did see a 3 foot high fiber optic tree I may get. I am going to buy a reindeer from K-Mart that is made of wire and white lights and it's head moves. That I am putting on my front porch because it makes me happy to look at it. Guess I will do what feels right at the time. Gotta go and put my first Xmas wreath on the door.
JBB