yesterday i asked you know and yardif why they frequent these apostate sites.i asked this question: "how do you justify coming on these boards?".
you know's answer:"the way i understand it, it is a conscience matter.
" when i asked whether he was serious, he replied:"i am serious".when i asked him for further clarification, he suddenly vanished from the conversation.
Last year's district assembly had a talk about not trusting your conscience. So how can one say it is a conscience matter when the borg says not to trust your conscience. Was YK not listening and talking notes?
My son walked away because of this double speak. I am glad he took notes on that particular talk.
the geography of women:.
between the ages of 18 - 21 a woman is like africa or australia.
she is half discovered, half wild and naturally beautiful with bushland around the fertile deltas.. between the ages of 21 - 30 a woman is like america or japan.
Perhaps Morgaine did not find any humor in your post. Perhaps she wanted to voice her opinion.
Let those who find it humorous laugh and pass by. For those who find it objectionable allow them the freedom to have their say. Perhaps it is you that should chill out. Why are you taking such offense to someone's opinion.
Your put downs were totally unhumorous by the way.
you are a bitch.. when asked 'is something bothering you?
' reply 'no' then get pissed off when you are believed.. become attracted to someone because he is outgoing and loves parties, start dating him, and immediately expect him to stop this behavior... always take an hour longer than promised to prepare for the evening.. always hide very important events in very unimportant terms so you can have something to be pissed about when your boyfriend declines because he has pressing business, i.e.
you say 'it's no big deal, but i was wondering if you would like to visit my parents with me if you are not busy this weekend.
bttt
you are a bitch.. when asked 'is something bothering you?
' reply 'no' then get pissed off when you are believed.. become attracted to someone because he is outgoing and loves parties, start dating him, and immediately expect him to stop this behavior... always take an hour longer than promised to prepare for the evening.. always hide very important events in very unimportant terms so you can have something to be pissed about when your boyfriend declines because he has pressing business, i.e.
you say 'it's no big deal, but i was wondering if you would like to visit my parents with me if you are not busy this weekend.
bttt
in the past weeks, i have been throwing away my 32 year library of books.
the feeling of freeing myself from the weight of the lies contained within the pages was my objective.
i have always been afraid of letting them go just in case it was the "truth.
Thank you to all that gave me input.
I understand why some want to keep the books and why the research into the old books is important to expose the lies. I had a real need to throw them away as an act of cleansing myself. It was such a relief to have them go and feel empowered.
I carried that library with me through three moves and put them on shelves and was reminded every day that I was not doing what God required of me and I was doomed. I don't feel doomed anymore. I believe that getting rid of the books was the final proof for me that it was done and it was time to move on and live my life on my own terms.
There is some regret in that I didn't ask this question before I threw most of them away. I see now that they would have been useful to many people who are researching the lies and posting the results.
As you pointed out Valis, they were a constant reminder of many bad years, wrong thoughts, and wrong doings. If I didn't have a gas fireplace I just may have used them for kindling. <grin>
Tallyman - I checked the few that I have left and I do not have "Does God Care.
Because of the research done by so many on this board, I was able to help my son, as well as myself, get out of the religion. Thanks to all of you once again.
Judith
in the past weeks, i have been throwing away my 32 year library of books.
the feeling of freeing myself from the weight of the lies contained within the pages was my objective.
i have always been afraid of letting them go just in case it was the "truth.
In the past weeks, I have been throwing away my 32 year library of books. The feeling of freeing myself from the weight of the lies contained within the pages was my objective. I have always been afraid of letting them go just in case it was the "Truth." Maybe I would change my mind and go back and be reinstated and then I would need my books.
I am absolutely sure that I will never return and tired of feeling afraid to let go of something I no longer believe in. So I have been throwing the books away and now I wonder if there is any good reason to keep any of what I have left. Is there a purpose to having them?
On Randy's site I saw that he is selling old Watchtower books and that is what set my mind to wondering about why they would be useful.
I will appreciate any and all input. Thanks
Judith
coming from a grossly dysfunctional family system, i found the wt religion attractive.
they had all the answers to life's problems or so they claimed.
i tried to be the best little jw ever and went by all the rules.
Hey Scully!
Good idea. The ripping of a few pages out and tossing them. Very Therapeutic to destroy the literature of the BIG LIE. I tore my name out of the front of the books before tossing them. Then I rolled them together and burned them in the fireplace. I am now in control of me and my life. The phoenix burning in the fire and a more beautiful bird has emerged.
Judith
coming from a grossly dysfunctional family system, i found the wt religion attractive.
they had all the answers to life's problems or so they claimed.
i tried to be the best little jw ever and went by all the rules.
Hi Dutchie
I think you will be able to let go of the books once you are totally sure that this religion is hurtful and lying and deceiving, and has very little to do about truth.
It took me years to get rid of the indoctrination. And now I am able to let go and get rid of the books.
When you are ready, you will know. At least that is how it happened for me.
Judith
coming from a grossly dysfunctional family system, i found the wt religion attractive.
they had all the answers to life's problems or so they claimed.
i tried to be the best little jw ever and went by all the rules.
Coming from a grossly dysfunctional family system, I found the WT religion attractive. They had all the answers to life's problems or so they claimed. I tried to be the best little JW ever and went by all the rules. This I thought would heal my shattered family life but it turned out that I was now part of the biggest dysfunctional family system ever. The WTS taught the very same dysfunctional things that I was trying to get away from in my family except that they added even more damning conditions. Denouncing ambition and material success, denouncing the enjoyment of everything on earth except overeating (which was something my family denounced).
I read all the books and magazines, attended all the meetings with three children in tow. I never seemed to get it right and struggled more and more to please. This tore at my self esteem and I stopped attending meetings a year after getting baptized. I realize now that the baptism was really the start of not being able to ask questions and being more like a zombie following along because I was afraid of losing my eternal life and the lives of my children. My mind began to challenge what I had been taught about good and evil and how I how I should be living my life.
I backed away and packed all the books and tapes but I couldn't throw them away. Still scared, still thinking that the WTS was God's chosen group. I made a few attempts at returning but couldn't get back into the schedule or the mind set. So I drifted, went to college, saw my children get through college, divorced my husband and was DA'ed.
Still the books, tapes and other WT propaganda were sitting in boxes, me too afraid to throw them away. What if I was to finally get my act together and live a pure life? I would need all of the WT stuff I had collected for 32 years. Huge amounts of boxes stored away.
It took my youngest son's return to the KH to look more deeply into the religion. Not just the surface looking at the so-called truth. Out came all the books once again lining my shelves and the tapes next to the stereo. I started attending meetings again to be with my son. I was amazed at how the people and the info were the very same as when I left many years before. I looked at the faces of the people and their children and how they were reacting to the info. I watched the children and how their parents were reacting to them. I watched the children being taken to the back of the hall for discipline. It made my stomach turn to see their pain and the dull eyes of the older children, and some with obvious fear of their parents and stuttering when made to answer questions from the Watchtower study.
I decided this was so wrong and that it was up to me to get my son away from this madness. I went on the internet and found this site. I read the COC book, printed out the UN business and other info and slowly passed the info on to my son. He stopped his study by giving the two men who came to see him a copy of the UN letter and asked them questions which they just passed off as apostate reasoning
We are out of the religion for good this time. Except I couldn't let go of the books right away. Now I am halfway through the throwing away of the WT info. I could not give them away being certain that someone would be entrapped by reading them. So I throw some away every week and they will rot in the garbage dump where they belong. Oh my God! Will I be punished for this? My first thoughts. But now I am feeling like weights are being taken away as they vanish along with the other garbage.
I now know how and why I allowed the WTS to get control of my mind. Looking for a better way to live and knowing that my family didn't know how to do that. Knowing that I was so hurt by my past that it became my opium to go towards the WTS. I didn't have to think about what was the right way to live my life, they told me and I sat back and said, "finally I found where I belong."
Now that I have been through months of self discovery, my mind is clear and I am finally free of the big WT lie. I am thankful that I will never again wonder if they are the only true religion and if God will kill me because I couldn't follow the life-sucking WTS. I am free to throw away 32 years of garbage.
Thanks be to this site for helping me to think for myself once again.
any thoughts on how he gets his info on dead people to feed back to families.
he seems to give out info that only the dead person would know.. is there a presence that exists after death?
are there people floating around before they go to wherever?
A big thankyou to all that replied. I will check out the other threads that were provided.
Judith
