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The Latest Trend in NW England: Homeschooling Your Children

by pale.emperor in

i dont know if this is becoming a national thing or even globally.

but im hearing more and more people i knew from my jw days have taken their kids out of school to home school them instead.

in my sisters case she's taken her 8yo and 6yo children out already and her 3yo wont ever start a school.

respectful_observer

Ironically, many homeschooled kids in my area turn 18, get a low-paying fast-food-type job, quickly find a 'worldly' boyfriend or girlfriend, and then fade or are DF'ed, never to set foot in a Kingdom Hell ever again.

^^That.^^

Nearly every J-dub kid I knew growing up being homeschooled from very strict familiies fell in with a really rough crowd (gangs, drug dealers, etc.) in a matter of a few year and ended up getting into drugs or getting pregnant before they were 18.

BTW, why do the keep them out of schools? I suspect 3 reasons (all under the guise of protecting them from worldly influences and bad association):

1. Evolution

2. Pressure to go to college

3. LGBT-friendly environment

4. Their parents hated having to deal with defending their JW beliefs to their classmates growing up and they'd prefer their kids not have to endure it too. "Why no sports/dances/birthdays/holidays/etc......"?

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Is it possible that someone who gives really gushing comments might still be awake?

by Isambard Crater in

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of the 50% of congregants who regularly participate, many of them give gushing answers about how appreciative they are, how wonderful jw.org is and so on, which makes me think nobody in my congregation is awake.

but maybe it's possible for someone who comes across as super spiritual to be awake?

i can't see how, though, as surely it's emotionally draining to fake it like that?

respectful_observer

I have to admit that I was the "salvation" of many a conductor. If it looked like they were hanging there waiting for someone to raise their hand, I would raise mine. Even after I stopped attending, when I ran into him, he said he really missed my comments.

There were 2 of us that consistently saved the conductor, but waited until it was tense.

That was me very recently. I was visiting a congregation where virtually no one knew me, and on top of it the CO was visiting (not for his visit, but it was where he chose to attend during his "vacation"). There was absolutely no support from the audience and time-and-time again both me and CO would wait and wait seeing if any hands went up...finally one of us would raise our hand and save the conductor. It was a bit like a ping pong match with the mic runner between us...we'd wait (enough time to scan the paragraph and question since I really hadn't been paying attention), make eye contact and one of us would slowly raise a hand. Honestly, A.) I truly felt bad for the poor guy on stage, and B.) I just wanted to keep the meeting going so I could get the heck out of there.

Like anyone who grew up with their father as the WT and/or BS conductor, you gain a sixth sense when you realize he needs help (even if you're sitting in the front with most of the congregation behind you).

EDIT: I sometimes throw in references to the monthly broadcast...of course I never mention that I've only seen it because I visit here.

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Amazing Video, modern-day miracle: "Chairs for Thousands"

by neat blue dog in

god provides.

https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodourorganization/pub-jwb_201703_4_video.

respectful_observer

The whole video was pretty laughable. Here were my key takeaways:

1. They signed a contract for a facility that did not have sufficient seating (what happened to counting the cost before you 'build'?)

2. They either have an unneccessary rule on wearing hard hats while carrying chairs, or they're bad at enforcing compliance with the rule.

3. They had to make up jobs for all the volunteers (flashback to the old Quick Builds..."Here's a bucket Sister, your job is to go pick up nails on the ground.")

4. The direct expenses associated with this exercise (cleaning supplies, cost of truck transportation, transporting a film crew to document the whole thing, etc.) and the indirect expenses (the cost of people's time, their transportation and food expenses, etc.) probably total more than what it would have cost to simply rent a facility with the appropriate number of chairs.

As a side note, they mentioned putting the orange chairs "in the back". I wish they would have put them in all the prime seating locations and watched the confusion/frustration on people's faces when they come bursting through the doors at opening time, fighting to grab that prime spot before some other Brother or Sister does.

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any contractors here that can give an educated estimate of what warwick cost?

by nowwhat? in

just wonderin'.

respectful_observer

@exjwlemming: I estimate about $450,000,000.

I would agree that's probably pretty close-- give or take $100 million. Hard to get something more accurate since they used paid (market rate) labor for some portions and not others. Although the volunteer LABOR was free, they decided to feed, house, and transport them-- all expenses they wouldn't have born if they just paid a construction company. Plus they're getting a little bit back (selling off excess construction equipment, housing, etc.) that a normal developer wouldn't do at the end of a project.

No matter how you slice it, though, there's no way they spent anywhere close to the money the raked in from selling off all Brooklyn properties.

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My Old Kingdom Hall being merged with TWO other congregations!

by pale.emperor in

this can only be a good sign.. my old congregation in liverpool has had a lot of money in it's bank account for years.

for a long, long time (almost 8 years) they've been looking for land to build a new hall.

the one they're in now is literally falling to bits.

respectful_observer

My Local source tells me he cannot think there is any public transport that is direct, A people facing incredibly difficult journey , their KH is well past its use by date.

This recently happened to a neighboring congregation. The hall was in a historic area and worth a boatload of cash, but was neglected and in need of a renovation beyond the skills of the RBC. So cashed out for a few million bucks, moved the congregation to another hall that was really difficult to navigate to on public transport. Within 2 years, it went from a vibrant congregation of 120+ at each meeting to fewer than 40 members.

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My Old Kingdom Hall being merged with TWO other congregations!

by pale.emperor in

this can only be a good sign.. my old congregation in liverpool has had a lot of money in it's bank account for years.

for a long, long time (almost 8 years) they've been looking for land to build a new hall.

the one they're in now is literally falling to bits.

respectful_observer

Just as I side point. There was a congregation I know of that inherited some money. I think it was to the tune of about 20k. The wishes in the will was that it be used for the local congregation. The BoE thought fantastic will use the money to buy a state of the art projector - this was as the TVs were been introduced. CO heard about it and told the elders to send the money to HO. The elders refer to the deceased will stipulating for congregation use only, and notify the CO that he is not only going against the deceased wishes but could also be breaking the law.

My congregation had one of its wealthy members leave a very large sum to the congregation (7 figures) when he died. More than enough to perform a top-quality complete renovation on the KH (which is an older, architecturally significant building). After years of delays from the RBC, that money got sent along to HQ a few years back during the Dollar Dragnet they conducted. I suspect this same guy left some sort of annuity that pays out to the local congregation because ever year we have a resolution to forward on to the Branch a $75,000 donation that was made last month to "the ________ Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses". Guessing his will stipulated the cash go to the local hall, so they have to go through the resolution process to get around the legal stuff.

The KH still hasn't received its desperately needed renovation. It's on a prime lot in a very wealthy community, so I'm just waiting for the day they announce we need to sell and move 1 town over and share halls with another congregation. Between the cash grab and selling the hall, the WTS could easily clear $5 million from a single congregation.

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Business Slow at JW Literature Trolley

by Athanasius in

yesterday i stopped at a local shopping center to pick up a few things.

i arrived at 9:45 am and two jw ladies had already set up their literature trolley and had opened for business.

but i didn't see anyone stopping by and taking advantage of their free literature.

respectful_observer

There's a cart that appears outside of my building from time to time. Lots of foot traffic (hundreds of people walking by an hour), yet I've never seen anyone stop.

I have heard some colleagues ask each other what on earth its all about after they walk by, but no one ever seems to know. There was recently a mag/cart poster on teenagers and my colleauges were completely flummoxed as to what this group was all about...."are they raising money for a charity?" "Why are they handing out stuff for teens? This is an office building, no teenagers here?!" It never even crossed anyone's mind that this was a religious thing.

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ARC Live Streaming site ?

by Gayle in

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what is the exact live streaming site for the arc today in sydney?

i hope someone or more here will be watching and giving info/quips throughout the case.

also, will someone here or elsewhere be able to 'save' a video of this (all or part).

respectful_observer

jwfacts: Seriously Terry, what were you thinking?

He probably got his "spiritual instructions" from Jackson.

"Make sure you pull those scriptures out and make sure you recite them. Out loud. That will give you magical protection from those big bad guys at the ARC. Guaranteed, with the Glorious Ones' seal of approval, to put Satan behind you".

.................................

I honestly think that their reading scriptures, although cringe-worthy to all former and non-JWs watching, is intended purely as a "message" to all mentally in JWs. The GB knows there's nothing they can do or say that will put JWs in a positive light to the rest of the world, so to best they can do is use it as a opportunity to send a message to bolster all the faithful witnesses that they are being persecuted for following the Bible rather than man.

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What's up with the numbering of the songs and reading them off the screen?

by Spiral in

i don't have to go very often, but last time i took my mother they were singing songs off a screen.

the numbers weren't the same as the songs with the same number on my tablet.

seemed like a lot of people were confused, but a couple of more gregarious attendees were singing (and swaying a bit) "church-style".

respectful_observer

I just can't bring myself to read the lyrics off the screens and stick to using my tablet. I know, I know, it's stupid. It just seems wayyyy too "1984-ish" for my taste for all of us to stand there like mindless drones, hands at our sides, all staring ahead at the same screen, singing the lyrics in unison.

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How did you feel when you got baptized?

by Schnufti in

back in 2005, i remember sitting in the stadium in the special rows with 42 others.

8000 people were looking at us - maybe even with a binocular - while listening to the speech.

my family and my friends among them, being all proud of me.. i don't remember being enthusiastic.

respectful_observer

I felt guilty.

I intellectually "knew it was the Truth(TM)", but when the speaker said how each of us candidates had already made a personal dedication to God in prayer before getting dunked, I thought, "Oops! Not me!" Then proceeded to make a "prayerful dedication" right there on the spot while he wrapped up his talk. Real sincere! Felt super guilty about it.

Of course how serious could it have been, coming from someone who wasn't even yet a teenager.

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