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  I NEED ADVICE DESPERATELY!!!

  by concerned fiance in

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  here is my situation: my fiance is now 27 years old.

  he was raised as a jw from the age of 2 through 18. at that time, his whole family left the "truth" except for his older brother who had already married another woman from the faith.

  for the past 9 years, he has been living his life to the fullest, but still loving god, praying often and he is a truly honest and moral person.

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  jukief

  Hi, and welcome to the board.

  I'm so sorry to hear your story; I'm afraid that many JWs and ex-JWs have reacted this way to the terrorist attacks. Others who are more knowledable than me can take on the subject of peace and security. I'd like to respond to your post in general.

  I left the Witnesses way back in 1984; I had a lot of doubts and although I hadn't done any deep studying, I knew things weren't right and didn't make sense. But I had, in the back of my mind, the worry that I'd done the wrong thing, that maybe the Witnesses were right and that my kids would die at Armageddon because of my decision. Do you know what finally put those thoughts to rest for me? (And for many other ex-JWs?) Reading Ray Franz's two books: Crisis of Consience and In Search of Christian Freedom. Ray goes into great detail about JW teachings and the way the organization is run. After reading two books, I don't see how your fiance could still believe the Witnesses are right about the Armageddon predictions. Please try to get him to read the books. You can order them from several different places, including FreeMinds.org and Amazon.

  I wish you luck, and I hope you can convince your fiance that the Witnesses are wrong, wrong, wrong about this--both for your sake and for his.

  Best wishes,
  Julie
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  Tick list for establishing whether a cult or not..

  by Deacon in

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  1/.milieu control: control of the group environment and communication .

  2/.manipulation: leaders are perceived as being chosen by god, history or some supernatural force.

  salvation can only be attained through the cult .

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  jukief

  Deacon, I'm at work and can't get to my library. Is this list from Steven Hassen's "Combatting Cult Mind Control?"

  Thanks!
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  Society's Press Release about the tragedy

  by Esmeralda in

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  chasson posted this in another thread, and i think it should be brought to the forefront.

  thank you, chasson for showing us all this link.. typical society response to tragedy.

  so three people got out and got to brooklyn.

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  jukief

  thewiz, I believe you when you say you don't look forward to the death of mankind at god's hands. But can you deny that you pray for the new system to come? And that means that you're also praying for Armageddon to come, which means you're praying for the majority of mankind, including children and babies, to be slaughtered by your god and his angels. It's easy to forget about this part of it and focus on the "glorious new system," but you have to live with the reality that if your Armageddon comes as you hope and pray, you'll witness some of the most horrifying events imaginable. If you choose to believe in--and even reverently worship--a god who could do such a thing, be my guest. But that's why I refuse to believe in god, at least the god the JWs worship and especially the god of the old testament.
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  Why so much hate?

  by Norm in

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  1997, page 3-4.. .

  1997, page 4.. .

  1997, page 4.. .

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  jukief

  Hi Norm. Good post.

  I can only say that I wish my JW brother would stop hating me. He must not read the Awake.
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  Planes just a diversion... Ambulances had bombs.

  by biblexaminer in

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  i feel pretty sure about this, that the planes were just a diversion set to allow emergency vehicles easy access to the basement parking lot.

  eye witnesses placed a large explosion just before the south building came down.

  one thing is sure, the buildings did not come down as a result of the planes hitting them or any explosions due to that.

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  jukief

  On a local Denver news broadcast last night, they interviewed a civil engineer from Denver who worked on the construction of the WTC for seven years. He said the reason the buildings collapsed was because the heat from all that burning jet fuel melted the steel structure. As another poster here commented, the engineer said that steel can't withstand those types of temperatures.
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  Religious Fanatacism

  by drahcir yarrum in

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  if there was ever a blatant display of the dangers of religious fanatacism, this is it.

  the hi-jackers of the airliners that crashed today no doubt thought they'd immediately be sitting next to allah this-afternoon.

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  jukief

  I view my brother as a radical, fundamentalist JW. His behavior is extreme, even my JW inlaws think he's out of line to be shunning my sister and me, who merely "fell away" and became inactive. But, at the same time, he's an elder. And he can find support, at least in his way of thinking, in the Bible and the WT publications. Nobody has rebuked him for his actions; on the contrary, he's being groomed for the circuit work. Now do most JWs act the way he does? No, I don't think so. But he is still a JW, isn't he?

  And the fact is that fundamentalist, extremist, terrorist Muslims are still Muslims. Even though most mainstream Muslims probably don't agree with today's actions and find it abhorant, it is still a faction of their religion that perpetrates many such terrorist acts (although nobody can say that Muslims are responsbile for today's acts). And yes, I *do* know many Muslims personally. When I was at university, I had lots of Muslim acquaintances who were international students from the Middle East. Although I strongly disagree with how Muslims treat women (and I received many lectures from Muslim men about how disgusting it was that I had bare arms and what a whore I was because of it--all this in a lab in a US university), I know that many Muslims are nice, kind people. But I also think that the Muslims who have come to the US to live are far different in their views from many of the radical people who live in the Middle East, who are surrounded daily by hatred and violence. When my kids were growing up, because we lived very close to university housing, they had friends from all over the world, from all religous persuasions. One of my older son's friends was Israeli and he came over to visit many times. I was horrified when I heard him spouting his hateful retoric against Palestinians. I challenged him on it, and he said the Muslims hated him just as much as he hated them. He was ready, at 10 years old, to kill Muslims, and he assured me they were just as ready to kill him. Unfortunately, these feelings are taught from childhood. And the Israelis are no better than the Palestinians.

  When one faction of a group does reprehensible things it reflects on the rest of the group. It's unfortunate, but true. It's the same way with American politics. I think countries in the Middle East and in the rest of the world have good reason to hate the United States. I disagree with our international policies, but I'm still an American and I'm going to regarded as an "ugly American" by many people as a result.

  None of it is very pretty.
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  Religious Fanatacism

  by drahcir yarrum in

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  if there was ever a blatant display of the dangers of religious fanatacism, this is it.

  the hi-jackers of the airliners that crashed today no doubt thought they'd immediately be sitting next to allah this-afternoon.

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  jukief

  I just want to add something else. The religion of Islam, esepecially itsradical elements, is known for violence and the resolve to kill all those who don't serve Allah. Sure, there are many conservative Muslims who don't behave or feel that way, but the religion encourages that type of thinking. I've often thought that if my family were Muslin instead of JWs, my brother, who's a fanatic, hardliner JW and who has shunned me for 10 years despite the fact that I'm not DFed or DAed, would be trying to kill me now, not just shun me. Look at what extremist Muslims have done in Afghanistan. Sure, you can't say that all Muslims are this extreme, but the fact that people are in the streets celebrating this tragedy says a lot about the Muslim religion, and Palentinians in particular. I've never seen groups from other countries or religions out celebrating when tragedies happen to Muslims or Jews or any other group, have you?

  Of course, JWs would be out celebrating in the streets after Armageddon decimated 99% of mankind if their ridiculous beliefs were true.
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  Religious Fanatacism

  by drahcir yarrum in

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  if there was ever a blatant display of the dangers of religious fanatacism, this is it.

  the hi-jackers of the airliners that crashed today no doubt thought they'd immediately be sitting next to allah this-afternoon.

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  jukief

  I'm not saying Muslims did this. I'm saying that the news showed Palestinians shouting in the street, handing out candy, for Christ's sake. You can't deny that.
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  Welcome to the Great Tribulation, Folks!

  by chipster in

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  as i was in the dentists chair this morning, i got the news and my heart just sank.

  i think of all those poor people and their grieving families, and my heart goes out to them.. well, you know, i have to say this: ....my money is on you.. i think you nailed it this time.... what is the verse about them "growing faint out of fear"???.

  all i can say is..stay tuned.....you guys ain't seen nothing yet..... the fun begins when the terrorists are identified and recompense is sought by the united states.. oh, and not to mention the ramifications in the global markets..... yep, like i said folks...."welcome to the gt.....and the finale is the big a"... this is a day that will go down in world history.. chipster

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  Hi Jim.

  It just makes me sick to think that JWs might be rejoicing at this news, thinking the great tribulation has become. But just think of it. The horror of this attack is nothing--absolutely nothing--compared to what they think will happen at Armageddon. Imagine something like this happening worldwide, in every city and village. That's what JWs hope and pray for. It's depraved.
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  ATTENDENCE AT KINGDOM HALLS SET TO RISE

  by radar in

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  yes folks.

  twin towers hit!!!.

  prelude to armaggeddon?.

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  jukief

  Just like the dubs. Thinking only about their own, and not a thought to all those lousy wordly people who got killed or hurt. It makes me want to puke.

  How many JWs do you think will line up to donate blood?