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  my brother the circuit overseer

  by GeddyLee in

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  2. experiences

  hi everyone, third generation dubber here who had enough sense to leave eight years ago, after utterly wasting thirty years of my life.

  i ve faced everything most of you all have,(loss of family and life long friends, and hardships trying to learn how to relate to the world around us) but now i am now enjoying all the best that life has to offer.

  just wanted to relate my first hand experiance of how loyalty to the crotchtower is put above everything else even blood.

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  Heck, no, Devon. If he were a Rush fan, he'd have called himself Neil Pert. :-)
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  "The Truth" simplified, Gary Busselman

  by Celia in

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  2. friends

  someone was asking for a copy of a watchtower from january 1, 1989.. so i went looking in a suitcase full of thes magazines.

  i have one from 1989, but it is october.

  most of the mags i have are 1998, 1999 and 2000.. anyway, as i was going through the stuff in that suitcase, i found a copy of an article i printed from the net, when i was writing a paper for a class in college.... it's called, the truth as i see it, or "the truth simplified" by gary busselman.

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  Gary!!

  Long time, no see. Do you still spend a lot of time on the bike? Did you know Doc Bob is a biker now, too? :-) I think I told you this once before, but if you come through Colorado on one of your ramblings, please stop to see us.

  Jim, I don't think I've ever met you, but I think you've known Alan for a long time. I've certainly heard your name for many years. Yes, I was there back in the early 90s, too, in the days of trm. Ah, the good old days. :-)

  Nice to see both of you.

  Julie Feuerbacher
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  NEW JW POLICY POSTED!!!

  by amac in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i don't know if anyone has posted on this already but there is a new press release at http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=bg_molestation.htm that defines the current jw policy and i believe it has taken a step in the right direction!.

  although they have not literally changed it to require reporting to the authorities in all states, they have finally put into print the following: "additionally, the victim may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so.".

  i am glad to see, straight from the wt, acknowledgement that the adults involved have every right to go to the police.

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  A few points of clarification:

  Until last autumn's Kingdom Ministry Schools for elders, the Society had no explicit policy allowing molestation victims or their guardians to go to authorities. Nor did they have, to my knowledge, any explicit, written policy not to allow such reporting. Rather, it has been a spotty but often applied unwritten policy that reporting is not allowed, based on the scriptural injunction not to take one's brother to court. Bill Bowen has on his website and in his files many cases where a person was told not to report based on this principle of not taking a brother to court. I believe it was invoked in the Erica Rodriguez (Garza) case, when elders forbid Erica to report her molestation and threatened disfellowshipping if she did.

  At the recent KM schools there were explicit statements made (check the downloadable material on Kent Steinhaug's website) to the effect that no congregational sanctions should be applied to anyone who in good faith reports molestation to the authorities. This was reiterated in the 15-May-2002 letter to bodies of elders in the U.S.

  Now think about this: if there were no policy (especially unwritten) to impose sanctions on someone for reporting prior to the KM schools, then it would be pointless to emphasize that elders impose no sanctions on someone for doing what U.S. law says is everyone's right, and often obligation -- to report crimes against oneself or one's family to authorities. Therefore the Society's need to explicitly instruct elders not to impose sanctions for excercising their government-given rights is proof that a policy to impose sanctions existed until last fall -- even though this policy was unwritten.

  This kind of unwritten policy, reversed by an explicit statement to elders, has been demonstrated before, with respect to the Society's 1967 ban on organ transplants. People were disfellowshipped for violating that ban, even though there is not a single statement in publicly available Watchtower literature that states that getting a transplant was a DF'ing offense. Clearly, the DF'ing policy was communicated through private letters to bodies of elders, or perhaps orally through Circuit Overseers, as is often done. Nevertheless, in the March 15, 1980 Watchtower, a "Questions from Readers" article answered the question, "Should congregation action be taken if a baptized Christian accepts a human organ transplant, such as of a cornea or a kidney?" The answer stated a new policy: it was now to be "a matter for conscientious decision by each one of Jehovah's Witnesses." It concluded with this: "The congregation judicial committee would not take disciplinary action if someone accepted an organ transplant."

  This "oral law" is far more important in Watchtowerland than written law. It is used to hide policies and teachings that would result in government sanctions against the Society if they were stated outright. For example, in 1989 elders were told by the Society, in so many words, to destroy congregation records if authorities demanded them. This was not done by any written means, or even by an explicit statement. It was done by the following trickery: The speaker asked a question like, "What should elders do if authorities demand congregational records?" Typically an elder would give an unacceptable answer like, "comply with the government's demand" or "why don't you tell us?" The speaker would then repeat his question until an elder gave the correct answer: "We should not give any records to the authorities." At that point the speaker would say, "I did not say that", and then he would quit repeating the question. Most elders got the message.

  We ex-JWs know how good the Society is at this business of "saying without saying", don't we? They use it in printed publications and in their news media statements. It's really a form of lying, which again we all know the Society is amazingly good at.

  Given these facts, it's distressing that otherwise bright people cannot see the Society's manipulation in its statements about imposing no sanctions on those who report molestation. Come on people! Get with the program!

  AlanF
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  The "Troof" about Alan F. Secrets Out

  by noidea in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  he is a "babe magnet" .

  yes, those that met me over the weekend at the silentlambs vigil know that in person i am a shy and reserved type.

  when it came to picture taking time..who could resist.

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  OK, folks, I promised some baby pictures, so here goes. Alan was a babe magnet even then. In fact, he started perfecting his kissing technique at an early age.

  For instance, here's Alan's first kiss:

  Not bad, but just see how his technique has improved in this picture. Notice the tilted head and the closed eyes:

  Yes, he's kissed lots of women in his day, but this is his current (and only--sorry, girls, eat your hearts out) kissing partner:

  And, for those of you who remember the "head up the ass" photo that Alan likes to post, you might not realize it really is Alan in that photo. Here's proof; he started trying it as a baby and perfected the technique by the time he was a teenager:

  Now is that an adorable baby or what???? No wonder he grew up to be so darned cute.
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  The "Troof" about Alan F. Secrets Out

  by noidea in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  he is a "babe magnet" .

  yes, those that met me over the weekend at the silentlambs vigil know that in person i am a shy and reserved type.

  when it came to picture taking time..who could resist.

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  Actually, noidea, Alan was the most adorable baby anyone has ever seen. I'll hunt up a few pictures and scan them.
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  The "Troof" about Alan F. Secrets Out

  by noidea in

  1. jw
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  he is a "babe magnet" .

  yes, those that met me over the weekend at the silentlambs vigil know that in person i am a shy and reserved type.

  when it came to picture taking time..who could resist.

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  Dave at a loss for words? Mark this day down in history.

  Speaking of babe magnets, how many of you have seen our own dear Dave in person? Wowzie. I'm going to see him next month, and I'm letting Alan know right now, the first place *I'm* heading when we get to Portland is for Dave's lap!

  Watch out, Dave. Here I come!
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  The "Troof" about Alan F. Secrets Out

  by noidea in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  he is a "babe magnet" .

  yes, those that met me over the weekend at the silentlambs vigil know that in person i am a shy and reserved type.

  when it came to picture taking time..who could resist.

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  That's the picture! Thanks for saving me the trouble, Alan.

  I bet if Alan had had THAT look on his face at the vigil, no woman would have been within a MILE of him! :-)) (See what I have to put up with at home?)
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  The "Troof" about Alan F. Secrets Out

  by noidea in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  he is a "babe magnet" .

  yes, those that met me over the weekend at the silentlambs vigil know that in person i am a shy and reserved type.

  when it came to picture taking time..who could resist.

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  Well, Marilyn, I'm afraid I *can't* quote JW stuff to Alan. I've deliberately tried to forget everything I ever knew about that religion. But you have an interesting point. I wonder what would happen if I started spouting that stuff at just the right moment. Maybe I should get into the big library of ours and start studying up. :-)

  I hope everyone realizes that I was trying to give Alan a hard time and not those lovely ladies in the photo. Believe me, any and all of you are welcome to Alan's lap whenever you like (especially Barbara!). :-)) I get a big kick out of the teasing and attention he gets. He's earned it. :-)

  Julie
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  The "Troof" about Alan F. Secrets Out

  by noidea in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  he is a "babe magnet" .

  yes, those that met me over the weekend at the silentlambs vigil know that in person i am a shy and reserved type.

  when it came to picture taking time..who could resist.

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  Marilyn, that second picture is much more his normal state. LOL

  I have one of this hideous face he likes to make. Not sure if he's posted it, but I'll have to find it. And I just got a new digital camera today, so I can take some REAL, candid shots of him to share with his admireres.

  Yeah, you other men, eat your hearts out. Alan rules. LOL

  Julie
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  The "Troof" about Alan F. Secrets Out

  by noidea in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  he is a "babe magnet" .

  yes, those that met me over the weekend at the silentlambs vigil know that in person i am a shy and reserved type.

  when it came to picture taking time..who could resist.

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  Sigh. Not again!

  It seems that no matter where Alan goes, his groupies follow. He can't go anywhere without women swarming all over him, each one vying with the others for his special, one-on-one attention. Oh, it gets tiring for him, but he feels pity for these poor women who yearn for the attention of nerdy engineers whose heads are full of nothing but the details of JW trivia and analog circuitry. So Alan and I have agreed to let them enjoy their little moments with him. It does no real harm and gives them such joy, poor things. What none of them realize is that I have a whole album full of these pictures. Every year, the number of admirers grows. I've given up even trying to remember to write names next to the many hopeful faces in those photos. Soon they all become a blur.

  I can only say I know personally what it's like for the wives of the world's most popular and sought-after men--women like Prisilla Presley and Jerry Hall. Yes, we, the wives, willingly share our men with their admirers. For we know that, when it really counts, their laps are reserved for us alone. And oh, you'll never know what exquisite joy that is! Alan might LOOK and ACT like a nerdy, JW-trivia-spouting engineer, but in the privacy of our bedroom he's an ANIMAL! In the heat of passion, only a few scriptural arguments and quotes from old Watchtower literature escape his lips. The rest of his utterances are passionately whispered sweet nothings.

  So never fear, no matter how many JWD/AlanF groupies sit on Alan's lap, I know he's still MY man. After all, it's MY office and computer and library he comes home to!

  The long-suffering Julie F (who willing lets her husband attend these functions knowing full well what's going to happen--yet again)