Posts by jukief

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What is the Purpose of this Site - My personal opinion?

by jst2laws in

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i was a little surprised to learn that many people do not really understand the purpose of jwd.

many are focused on freedom of speech and the fact that this is a "discussion" board.

to some this does seem to go against the heavy moderating the board has seen lately, feeling that discussion is suppressed, some going so far as to suggest that mind control is subtly involved here as in the organization.

jukief

Mike said:

I look back at what I posted 2 or 3 years ago and it seems much more informative than what I post now. So, maybe we do kind of "run out of steam", maybe we have given of our best, hopefully we've given something to a newbie ex that will sustain him through a difficult period of transition.

I ran out of steam for all things JW long before this site ever existed--in fact, before the Worldwide Web existed. I got that stuff out of my system back in the early 90s, in the Usenet News days when we used to debate with JWs on talk.religion.misc. Maybe that explains why I post to this site so seldom. But others aren't like me. Alan, for instance, has been out quite a long time, and he still hasn't run out of steam (although he has less time lately to post). I think we all move forward at our own pace, and this site provides what some people need and want. I'm just not that interested in JW talk anymore, although--as you can see--I still check the site from time to time.

All I can say about this topic is that I'm glad I'm not the site owner or a moderator. Whew!

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Sinuitis and a cure?

by jayhawk1 in

for the past two months, i have been fighting one cold after another, but what seems to never leave is the burning in my nose and throat.

six days ago my doctor perscribed cephalexin 500mg (antibiotic), but so far i am still miserable.

while looking online, many websites want to sell their various cures, usually for about $35.00 us.

jukief

I'm late jumping in on this topic, Jayhawk, but I thought I'd let you know about my experience.

I've had a LOT of sinus infections the past year. Last summer I had to stay on antibiotics for more than a month. But I didn't want to keep going on antibiotics, so I finally got a referral to an ENT doctor a month or two ago. I had read up about sinusitis, and I knew that allergies had a lot to do with it, but I didn't think I'd had allergy problems in years (I had no allergy symptoms, such as runny nose, itchy eyes, sneezing, etc.). So I was really surprised when the doctor prescribed allergic meds (I'm taking Allegra-D--the decongestant is really important for me), and my sinus problems cleared right up. As long as I stay on the meds, I have no problem. I also use a neti pot at least once a day. I keep some noniodized salt on the bathroom counter and just mix it with fresh water from the tap. It only takes a couple of minutes and it cleans out all the contaminants. My doctor highly recommends it.

I asked her about a device I saw advertised on the Web, a kind of waterpik device that claims to force water up into your sinuses. She showed me how tiny the openings to the sinuses are (very small) and said that there's no way to force water into them unless they've been dilated. She told me the neti pot is just as good, and it's a lot less expensive.

Good luck. I'm glad you're feeling better!

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Unitarian Universalists

by SpunkyChick in

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i just visited a unitarian universalist church today for the first time.

i enjoyed it!

the reverend was a female and she gave a sermon about mystics.

jukief

SpunkyChick, if you scored 100% UU (as I did), then you're probably a perfect UU. I've been a member since the early '90s. I love it because I feel no compunction to attend when I don't feel like it, yet when I do, I thoroughly enjoy it and feel no guilt for having been away for a long time. I think the minister makes all the difference. Ours is terrific. He's Jewish by upbringing and *does* believe in the Bible, although he keeps his Biblical rhetoric to a minimum. He jokes that when he mentions the Bible, half the church complains, and when he doens't mention it, the other half complains. :-) That's UUism for you. Lots of different beliefs--everything from Christians to aethiests (of which I'm one). If you want to belong to a group that is truly interesting in helping others, the UU church is the place for you. Our church is involved in all kinds of community activities, many of them in conjunction with other religions (such as Catholic Services). I tend to think that aethists feel more comfortable there, but I happen to know that there are also a lot of Christians in our church, and they seem to feel at home as well.

I highly recommend it. But, then, it all depends on what you're looking for. Good luck!

Julie

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A Letter from the GB to the folks of JWD...

by SYN in

watchtower(c) society of pensylvannia, inc. don't f*ck with us.

dear brothers and brotherettes,.

recently, we have heard from some of our brothers who aren't in such good standing that ya'll have been saying some pretty nasty things about us on your little web-pagelet.

jukief

Does anyone remember the faxes Kent Steinhaug used to send to the GB? They were absolutely hysterical. Such disrespect!

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The Bible according to Spike Milligan.....

by Gadget in

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in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth.. 2. and darkness was upon the face of the deep; this was due to a malfunction at the lots road power station.. 3. and god said, let there be light; and there was light, but eastern electricity board said he would have to wait until thursday to be connected.. 4. and god saw the light and it was good; he saw the quarterly bill and it was not good.. 5. and god called the light day, and the darkness he called night, and so passed his gcse.. 6. and god said, let there be a firmament and god called the firmament heaven, freephone 999.. 7. and god said, let the waters be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear, and in london it went on sale at six hundred pounds a square foot.. 8. and god said, let the earth bring forth grass, and the earth brought forth grass and the rastafarians smoked it.. 9. and god said, let there be lights in heaven to give light to the earth, and it was so, except over england where there was heavy cloud and snow over high ground.. 10. and god said, let the seas bring forth that that hath life, flooding the market with fish fingers, fishburgers and grade-three salmon.. 11. and god blessed them, saying, be fruitful, multiply, and fill the sea, and let fowl multiply on earth where prince charles and prince philip would shoot them.. 12. and god said, let the earth bring forth cattle and creeping things, and there came cows, and the bbc board of governors.. 13. and god said, let us make man in our own image, but woe many came out like spitting image.. 14. and he said, let man have dominion over fish, fowl, cattle and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.. 15. and god said, behold, i have given you the first of the free yielding seed, to you this shall be meat, but to the ec it will be a beef mountain.

jukief

I just finished reading that book. I haven't laughed out loud that much--ever.

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What do you do with your old liturature?

by Gadget in

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i'm in the middle of decorating my new house, and was a bit stuck as to what to use to mask off the furniture/carpets etc until i spotted an oldv pile of watchtowers that i'd been meaning to throw out.

i now have paint spattered watchtowers all over my living room.. anybody else got any good things to use old liturature for?

jukief

I got rid of all mine. Then I met Alan.

Now my house is FULL of Alan's continually growing collection. The only way I can deal with it is by telling myself, over and over again, that it represents our retirement fund. Seriously.

I beg of you folks, do NOT offer Alan any of your old literature, no matter how much he begs or how much he offers to pay for it. PLEASE!

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Bowling for Columbine

by drwtsn32 in

i just watched this documentary tonight and enjoyed it.

it's amazing to me the number of gun-related murders in the us... over 11,000 in one year.

i don't remember the exact figure, but canada, japan, and germany combined had less than 500 gun-related murders.

jukief

Whether or not Michael Moore plays fast and loose with the facts, I think the fact that the movie calls attention to the gun crime in this country makes it worthwhile to watch. This is a scary place to live. So many guns in the hands of so many complete idiots. When we lived in Switzerland, all the men of army age had rifles and ammunition in their homes. They had to keep them there, where they were periodicaly inspected, because they were members of the standing army. Do you know how many crimes have been committed with those guns? None! I felt safe living in Europe; I don't feel safe here, not even in a city with a low crime rate, like Fort Collins, Colorado (an hour away from Littleton, BTW). Why do Americans have such a love affair with guns? Why do people need to own assult guns? For hunting? Give me a break. We need some decent gun control laws. Watch an hour or two of the trauma shows on TLC and you'll the results of our love affair with guns.

Moore made some excellent points in the movie, as well as in his books. I certainly don't agree with everything he says or with all his tactics, but that doesn't make everything he says untrue. If you're going to attack people for futzing around with the "facts," look first to our biggest and best example--good old Dubya.

As for Charleton Heston, when he assumed the role of president of the NRA, he put himself in a position to be criticized. Seeing that clip of him holding a gun above his head and saying "Over my cold, dead body" makes me nauseated. If he's senile, he should step down. In the meantime, he's put himself in the bull's eye (pun intended).

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MY CONSULTING TRIP TO BETHEL (starting over) PART 6

by seven006 in

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within a few weeks i leased a condo on the banks of the willamette river just out side the city of portland.

as she got into her car she looked at me funny again, laughed and just shook her head.. .

i told him that if i said i was sorry, i knew that is what they wanted to hear but it was not the truth.

jukief

Dave, I said "when you met us," not years later at the beach house. (Do you still remember the first time you met us? That time you came to our house wearing that big old black coat and dressed to the nines?) No, don't tell the tale of how you deliberately got me drunk so I'd make a fool of myself, then led me down the garden path. (Note that Alan doesn't need any help getting drunk.) I'd have to get even with you if you did, and that wouldn't be pretty. :-)

Love you, Dave! kiss kiss

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MY CONSULTING TRIP TO BETHEL (starting over) PART 6

by seven006 in

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within a few weeks i leased a condo on the banks of the willamette river just out side the city of portland.

as she got into her car she looked at me funny again, laughed and just shook her head.. .

i told him that if i said i was sorry, i knew that is what they wanted to hear but it was not the truth.

jukief

Hey, Dave! When are you going to get to the part where you meet US? That's the best part of the story!

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A Secret about DF'ing that Elders will not tell you.

by Amazing in

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one of the big issues affecting ex-jws is being shunned by their close relatives.

this can be especially painful for parents, children or siblings.

the jw relative may even make some exceptions to associate in the name of "necessary" business, but then later on their conscience "pricks" them, and they realize that they have pushed the envelope too much and they withdraw their association altogether ... or ... the society comes out with some article or the co comes to town, and manage to ding on some issue that make jws feel guilty about associating with df'd and da'd relatives.

jukief

My brother, a long-time elder and now a circuit overseer, stopped associating with me almost 20 years ago. I've never been disfellowshipped or reproved; neither have I diassociated myself. His reasoning is that I'm an apostate because I left the religion (and therefore god, in his mind) and because I don't believe the JW teachings. I tried to reason with him about the fact that I got baptized as a minor, and that if I'd known then what I know now, I never would have been baptized. It doesn't matter to him. I left the religion; I'm an apostate. Very black and white. He's convinced my sister to take the same stand.

The funny thing is that he made this decision long before I married Alan, the arch-apostate. Now he's really scared to death of me!