Very nice post, Ian. You and I have had several good discussions on this subject, and I've always found them very interesting. I can only say that I'm very envious that you've found peace with your spirituality. I know it gives you a lot of comfort. I wish I could say the same thing for myself. You're an amazing person, Ian. ((((Ian))))
jukief
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SPIRITUALITY - A PERSONAL OUTLOOK
by Dansk indear all,.
most of you will be aware by now of my story regarding watchtower and, after exiting, finding i had an even greater battle to contend with - the fight against cancer!
throughout this battle i have been helped by many people here.
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What did Russell & Rutherford smoke/drink?
by saved in.
(other than weed...) .
what kind of cigar and liquor did these two enjoy?
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jukief
In Rutherford's case, the easier question would be: What kind of liquor did he NOT enjoy?
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Journal of Church and State: WT NO-BLOOD EXPOSE'
by AndersonsInfo in(baylor university, waco, tx) an essay entitled, "jehovah's witnesses, blood transfusions, and the tort of misrepresentation," found in the autumn issue of baylor universitys prestigious journal of church and state, published december 13, 2005, exposes the vulnerability of jehovahs witnesses religious organization to massive claims for compensation because of the religions misrepresentation of the medical risks of blood transfusions.
this milestone essay critically examines one of the religions main publications for teaching their children and new recruits about their blood beliefs, how can blood save your life?
the peer-reviewed essay details many misrepresentations of medical facts, which the religion partly relies on to support its blood prohibition, thus denying its members from making fully informed medical decisions.
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Hi S4. I sent the press release to my parents. I'm going to get a copy of the article for them to read. I just hope it'll sink into dad's head that he's been lied to for years. It's odd that he's so stubborn about this one thing. He realizes that the Society's misrepresented science and a lot of other subject areas, but for some reason the whole blood thing really made an impact on him. It just goes to show what an emotional issue it is.
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Journal of Church and State: WT NO-BLOOD EXPOSE'
by AndersonsInfo in(baylor university, waco, tx) an essay entitled, "jehovah's witnesses, blood transfusions, and the tort of misrepresentation," found in the autumn issue of baylor universitys prestigious journal of church and state, published december 13, 2005, exposes the vulnerability of jehovahs witnesses religious organization to massive claims for compensation because of the religions misrepresentation of the medical risks of blood transfusions.
this milestone essay critically examines one of the religions main publications for teaching their children and new recruits about their blood beliefs, how can blood save your life?
the peer-reviewed essay details many misrepresentations of medical facts, which the religion partly relies on to support its blood prohibition, thus denying its members from making fully informed medical decisions.
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jukief
To illustrate how harmful the Society's misrepresentations about blood transfusions are, consider this: My parents are no longer JWs. After being in the organization for more than 50 years (70+ years in my dad's case), they've given up the ghost. They don't believe in any of the Society's doctrines. They no longer accept the "scriptural" argument against blood transfusions (heck, they don't even accept the Bible as an inspired book and are doubtful about their belief in god). But my father still refused to consider a blood transfusion as recently as a year and a half ago, when he had coronary bypass surgery. Why? Because the Society has been extremely successful at brainwashing him into believe that blood transfusions are dangerous. My sister, who has a PhD in biology, and I, argued unsuccessfully that the slight chance of getting AIDS or some other "loathsome disease" (my dad's words) were much less than the significant danger of not accepting blood should he need it during surgery. We couldn't convince him. I think he knew, deep down, that we were right. But years of brainwashing is difficult to undo. So my father, who no longer believes the religious aspects of the doctrine, has bought hook, line and sinker into the so-called medical "facts" the Society has presented year and year, for almost as long as he was a JW. And he's willing to die--not over religious beliefs--but because he bought into the lies. This is a lot bigger than the R&F going along with "new light" if the Society were to suddenly change the doctrine. If my father were to refuse a blood transfusion and die, I'd be able to successfully sue the Society because he was lied to about the medical facts--not because he chose to go along with a religious doctrine. And don't think I'd hesitate even a second to do so. Barbara, this is gigantic. Thanks so much.
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Good Afternoon!
by Stanollie ini'm dansk's son, dominic.
this is my first post.
just thought i'd pop in and say hello..
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jukief
Dominic! Remember me? I came and bugged you guys for a couple of days in April--Julie Feuerbacher. Happy to see you here. I don't come to this forum often--mostly just to check on news of your dad. But I think you'll find lots of encouragement and friends here. I really enjoyed meeting you in April and hope to see you again on my next trip to England. Welcome to the forum! Hugs, Julie
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"No Apologies is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses"
by No Apologies insometimes i just don't know when to keep my big mouth shut.
today i think finally said enough to get da'd.. for those of you just tuning in, a recap: about 2-3 years i came to realize everything i had been taught as a jw was a load of steaming turds.
since then i have managed to fade away more or less, without incident.
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No Apologies, sorry to hear you're going through this. I got cornered, too, by several sets of elders at various time (one of them my brother-in-law!), but no one ever DAed or DFed me. So maybe it won't work out as you fear. Hang in there. I'd give you a big hug if I were there (OK, well, maybe I wouldn't). :-) Julie
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My Scan Results
by Dansk inas many of you will know, yesterday i received my scan results from the haematologist.
when i entered his office he was beaming and so i thought the news would be good.
the chemotherapy has shrunk the cancerous lymph nodes in my stomach substantially!!
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jukief
How fabulous, Ian. I'm so happy for you and Claire and the kids. Keep up the good work. We'll keep sending positive vibes your way. Lots of hugs and love, Julie
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Wedding Of Number 1 Son, Some Official Pics.
by Englishman indon't be late!.
'cos the men in black.... .
want to see this lady... .
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jukief
What wonderful pictures, Mike. You look dashing, and Christina looks absolutely beautiful (as always). Congratulations to the new mother- and father-in-law.
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jukief
Well, I guess I'm an AlanF fan, too. LOL
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New Book Exposing "Intelligent Design"
by AlanF ini thought some people would be interested in this, since the watchtower society has been gradually adopting (but not acknowledging the source) id-ish ideas for about a decade.. there's a new book out called creationism's trojan horse: the wedge of intelligent design (barbara forrest & paul r. gross, oxford university press, 2004).
it shows very clearly that so-called intelligent design (id) is nothing more than standard creationism masquerading as something new.
id is really just a jazzed up version of william paley's "watchmaker" argument, which in turn is a jazzed up version of the argument from ignorance -- "i can't imagine how that happened, so it didn't".
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jukief
I don't read this board very often, so please forgive me if someone else has already posted this.
Here's my new ID ideology: