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Criminal , new US ally

by Norm in

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the norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.

he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.

he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.

Julie

Morning Kent, you madman,

I understand your frustration with Americans basic unawareness of the world around them and their seemingly apathetic attitude toward the rest of the world.

The thing of it is is that there are many kinds of people here and, almost more importantly, various income levels. I realize America is a very wealthy nation (I mean I *am* an American) however there are a lot more people than you think who are very far from wealthy. The rest of the world might be surprised to find how many people work 2 or 3 really crappy paying jobs just to make the rent and groceries. They barely have any time for their kids, much less themselves. I know when this was my story I was far more concerned if I had milk/food for the kids and would make the rent/mortgage that month. Believe you me, I was so overwhelmed with trying to "get by" the last thing on my mind was what corrupt government in the world we were chumming around with.

Then of course we have those who have plenty and their big worries are catching that sale at the Clinique counter, their next social event or how to cheat on their taxes/hide income. There are many with their heads in the sand, who gobble up the garbage/propaganda called news (or worst of all "talk-radio"!!!) and just go on their happy, self-absorbed way--thinking they are "in the know". If *only* they knew.

It is thanks to some who *are* in the know and work very hard to make facts known that at least *some* Americans *do* know and *do* care about the world around them and try to do what they can to make it a better place. One way to do this is to really learn what is going on in the political world, discuss the issues (instead of recipes or the lastest fashion etc.), and make informed choices in the voting booth. There is also the power of the pen. When there is enough pressure from constituents the elected officials *do* tend to pay attention because they know if they do not, well they can kiss the trough they feed at good-bye.

I know in my heart it is those who are far too busy making ends meet who would be the most passionate about making the necessary changes in US government. I know my own bout with poverty certainly helped me in this way.

Just putting in my two cents worth re: we aren't all the same and we aren't *all* self-absorbed, greedy bastards.

Regards,
Julie, of the Gives a Shit Klass

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Criminal , new US ally

by Norm in

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the norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.

he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.

he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.

Julie

Greetings to you all,

Norm, good post, as usual. LDH--I gotta say, that line about that brutal murderer being the guy for the job of eliminating Hussein, brilliant and witty. Good one. It is a shame though that America has no standards when it comes to convenient alliances.

I think it was TR that said:

:Oh, and don't forget the oil rich countries we're allied with! Damn, I wish we could drill in Alaska.

You mean like Russia and Norway?? LOL! Drill in Alaska? Why stop there, let's do some slant drilling the in the great lakes too? We could take over Afghanistan ourselves and build one might convenient pipe-lilne so we could continue to consume the most natural resources of any nation on Earth? If you are going to think Earth Exploitation TR, think big man, think big!! Don't worry, you'll probably be dead by the time the serious reprecussions hit so our grandchildren on down can deal with that, tough shit for them, eh?

Seeker, brilliant comments. Color me stunned.

Regards to all,
Julie, who would like to see big funding reduction to Israel

[Edited to add: Focus, *I* don't find you to be fearsome, I think you make some excellent points, just an FYI. ]

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Hypocrites.....grrrrrrr

by Tatiana in

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well, a couple of nights ago i was kind of ashamed of myself.

let me explain.. i have a new job.

as a model scout.

Julie

Well April

*I* thought your opening line was great!!! As to the rest, ah, t you merely announced the emperor has no clothes, you have no reason to be critical of yourself for becoming a bit emotional on the topic.

Hypocrisy irritates me to no end too....as some here may have noticed

Well done girl, you go!!!!

Regards,
Julie

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Irony in Mark

by JosephAlward in

taking care of the son of god.

mark creates a story in which mary thinks that jesus is out of his mind, and must be taken charge of (mark 3:14-21, 31).

next to god himself, the last person one would expect to reject jesus' divinity would be his mother.

Julie

Greetings all,

Rem, you said:

:Still no real evidence, unless you accept 2nd and 3rd hand accounts as proof. Unfortunately any primary evidence has not survived to our day, and the second hand evidence seems to be steeped in tradition rather than facts. If you care to research the topic, you will find out how credulous ancient historians and the early church fathers really were when it came these traditions. Verifiable facts were not as highly regarded as by modern historians.

Not only do you make excellent points here but if you toss in the kicker that these men had a personal stake in perpetuating these accounts you have some pretty concrete reasoning IMO.

I would like to add that, Joseph, I think you have more than met your burden in presenting your reasoning and you, RWC started dodging long ago in this thread by not addressing the reasonings put forward. You simply dimiss them as not "proof". Well here is a little newsflash for you, there is not "proof" either way and it is all Interpretation (or whathaveyou). You were presented with solid reasonings, I would like to see you refute these reasonings instead of squabbling over what this or that professor said.

Whether you realize it or not, by addressing the arguments that Joseph is putting forth in the manner that you are doing does little to further your cause/case. Here is an example if you do not get what I mean, Joseph made this statement:

:There is zero evidence outside of the Bible that there actually was a "Jesus" described in the Bible; the only evidence for the "prophecies" Jesus allegedly fulfilled is in the Bible. To prove the Bible stories are true, the apologist thinks he's permitted to point to the stories of prophecy fulfillments found in the Bible as proof that the Bible is accurate; that's nonsensical circular reasoning, of course.

This, coupled with the rest of his post apparently compelled you to inquire and conclude:

:Are you also saying that Mary never lived, nor Joseph, nor Pilate, nor Herod, nor Joseph of Arimathea. For the Gospels to be made up, when all of these real men are mentioned at the time they were said to engage in the acts described in the Bible, all of this would have to be refuted as false.

First of all I don't know about you but I did not even see Joseph infer that these other charcters you metnioned didn't actually exist, why do you make that jump? Ah, yes the answer to that is in this quote just above isn't it? You seem to be under the mistaken impression that in order for a story to have any fiction in it it must be pure fiction. Ever hear of a historical novel? The kind "based on a true story"? Or historical movies with the same thing? There are part-truths everywhere you look.

I hope you will address some of Joseph's reasoning RWC, it will be interesting to see you present the counter reasoning of this discussion.

Regards,
Julie

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Does God speak through a book?

by Moxy in

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the live forever book, on pg 47, contains the following line of reasoning:.

has jehovah god given us information about himself?

has he told us what he has done and what he yet purposes to do?

Julie

Hi Moxy,

Excellent post, I have wondered these things too. It is remarkable what shlock people are willing to "credit" an All Enlightened Being with, isn't it?

Regards,
Julie

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Anyone answer this for me?

by Gandalf in

you know the verse that prophecies that the city of tyre will become a 'drying yard for dragnets' and '"never will you be rebuilt" for i myself jehovah have spoken'(ezekial 26:14)?

so how come tyre still exists today?

Julie

Greetings all,

Teejay, you said:

:Jehovah always had a problem understanding the meaning and use of basic English (or Hebrew) words. Whatever.

lol...glad I'm not the only one who came away with that impression, God was a really bad linguist for sure.....and so ambiguous.......not my kind of author at all.......

Regards,
Julie

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Ya'll dont believe in God?

by flower in

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i have to ask this although i have a feeling i dont really want to read the responses but anyway.

i talked to several people here today who dont believe there is a god at all.

this is disturbing!

Julie

Dear Flower,

I can relate to how you feel about these thoughts that are rather foreign to you(i.e. no God). First and foremost, I urge you to put your fear aside. It will cloud your vision while you are on your journey of discovery. You might miss some really good stuff with fear clouding your vision, don't want that.

You will have to come to your own conclusions as there is no solid proof either way. I went on the same journey you are now starting and would be ahppy to share with you what I found if you are interested. You may e-mail me anytime, my box is always open.

Remember, welcome new ideas to ponder, do not run from them. It is only when we entertain new ideas that we can grow and learn. In this I strongly encourage you.

Warm regards,
Julie the Fearless

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What would YOU do?

by Adam in

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the california super lotto plus is up to $131 million.

our office has 35 people buying a single ticket together.

since the organizer picked the "cash now" option instead of the "over 20-years" one, there will be a stiff penalty.

Julie

Adam you said:

:Hey, I just had a great idea for any Canadians out there. You could buy a figure skating judge or two. With a couple judges in your pocket you could make sure that the Canadians don't get the shaft in 2006 like they did this year.

Boy you got that right! Was that about sickening or what?

Julie

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My day so far....

by safe4kids in

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flying down the interstate, on my way to class (late again!

) when i notice this strange smell in my van...gets worse the closer i get to school.

so i turn around and head back down the interstate towards home, knowing that something is wrong (i'm smart that way).

Julie

LOL What a morning! Well, just remember this, as king/queen we must find the good in every situation. Looks like you are pretty qualified in that respect. Glad it turned out reasonably well in the end.

Regards,
Julie

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Flame Ups? Tired? Scared To Voice...............

by ladonna in

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i am wondering how many here are often reluctant to post their true opinions on certain subjects to evade being flamed, made to feel lesser than human, or being ganged up on?

i ask this as i have read threads and had things i would have liked to contribute, but feel i have already had so much stress that i cannot take the type of personal attacks that occur here.. before anyone jumps in and attacks that statement, i have had a recent physical illness that has stressed me beyond normal limits.. we have all seen it happen.

then along comes a mr nice guy who sticks up for the attackers.. ana...,of the "just cannot be bothered class".. .

Julie

Prisca,

When someone gleefully aticipates a long drawn out flame war by getting her fat-free popcorn ready for the show, yeah, that means you *like* it when it gets good and bloody. No assumption here, everyone knows the real you enough for you to give it up on this Sweet Little Prisca thing. I mean really hun, you've done it to death and we all know othewise so save yourself and your friends the embarrassment of at least this part of your facade, K? Cause ain't no one buying *that* anymore.

As to the rest, too bad I foolishly thought an ambiguous nudge to Ana would suffice but of course, you had to come along and stick yourself into things, didn't you? Don't you have some food related event to go plan or something? Idle hands are the devil's workshop as they say, and free time on the DB is often exposure time for the, er, less perceptive, so just mosey on along, won't you dear?

Julie