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  Comments? Black Slavery

  by Naeblis in

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  found this article interesting.

  what do you guys think?

  it seems to be opposed topretty much everything i've read so far.. .

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  Hi Teejay--

  Thanks for the info on funding for Israel. It does look as though some supposition is involved but it easy to believe the figure exceeds 3. I do not like it but with the huge Jewish voting block we have in the states do you think any politician is ever going to voice opposition? It would take a tidal wave of reaction from the public, never happen.

  :No, you needn't point out that particular aspect of Black stupidity.

  Oops! What did I actually say??? "I am sure I needn't point out the stupidity of such steps to the black community...". I think I was implying the black community was too *smart* to fall for such a self-serving act on the part of Cochran. Nothing at all about "black stupidity". What's that about?

  :The real stupidity of the Black community is to think that anyone would even consider paying them for the blood, sweat and tears that their ancestors paid toward the formation of this country. I mean, other than black people, who cares about slavery today? I'm serious

  Well as slavery is no longer practiced in America, I will admit that American slavery is rather low on my list of concerns. I have some thoughts on what should be done for the disadvantaged, wrote them earlier in the thread, here they are:

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  There is something that smacks of selfishness when it comes to the topic of a cash-settlement reparation. As I made clear earlier I am all for the government investing much more than they currently do into those of our citizens who are truly underpriveldeged, again, no matter their color. We don't put nearly enough resources into education of both parents and children. There has to be more opportunity for these people but they also have to be prepared for the opportunity (i.e. educated and healthy). Now I don't narrow this down to blacks because the fact is there are underprivledged people of all color--no matter what your view this is a fact.

  Not only would significant investments in communities benefit those alive today but if done right could benefit many generations to come. Long term results. That is not a characteristic I see even remotely guaranteed with a cash pay-out style of reparation.
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  You said:
  I just figured that if taxpayers had no problem paying two dollars every month, why make a fuss over one more quarter? Millions would, and that's my point. And THAT is my question. Why????

  On the dough that is shelled out, it is all part of a greater problem in our system and the answer is painfully simple: apathy.

  About more of the dough being shelled out, easy again, too much "I got mine you get yours". Plus, there needs to be agreement on what form you take, cash pay-out bad, community building projects good.

  That's my take.

  Julie
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  God's image

  by Rex B13 in

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  we are made in god's image and he is a person, not just some invisible, omnipresent force.

  here is some more research for those who love to ask questions yet won't do the digging.. the bible consistently portrays god as a passionate individual, whose inner experiences of love, compassion, grief, delight, joy, peace, anguish, and moral outrage at atrocity dwarf ours in the extreme.

  the bible makes no apology for this, but rather exults in the living one, in contrast to the dead and lifeless idols that surrounded its writers.. one scholar put it thus:.

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  Norm--

  Do you ever feel bad? I mean like shooting fish in a barrel isn't it? Sometimes it is so easy I *almost* feel guilty. I am becoming convinced that if I looked up the word Lemming I would find a picture of WW.

  Take care-
  Julie
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  Comments? Black Slavery

  by Naeblis in

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  found this article interesting.

  what do you guys think?

  it seems to be opposed topretty much everything i've read so far.. .

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  Help me to get some facts straight here---anyone. I am under the impression that we give Israel $3 Billion a year in aid. Is this correct? (I am against meal tickets to Israel, Jews are a large voting block in US though so good luck finding a politician to voice opposition)

  If this is the case then I wonder about the math being applied here. Is it the White House's "new math"?

  Where do we get $2 a month for aid to Israel and .25 for reparations on the slavery issue? Didn't I see somewhere in this thread Johnnie Cochran has filed a trillion dollar lawsuit against US for reparation? Of course I am sure I needn't point out the stupidity of such steps to the black community (i.e. Cochran would take 1/3 off the top of any settlement, really lessening the reparation).

  I guess the bottom line here is where are these figures coming from? At .25 a month (per taxpayer) what sort of settlement are you talking?

  If more people would forget the reparation approach and take a broader approach, as in demanding and lobbying for some serious community funding (especially education), we'd all be better off. Until the view is broadened we will continue to go nowhere.

  Julie
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  Afghan Women under Taliban

  by Tina in

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  for those who might be interested in the plight, public murder,bride-price, of women who live under talibans terroriistic fundamentalism........ warning!

  graphic photos.. http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/women.html.

  carl sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny..."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense-you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones.

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  Greetings to all:

  Rex, you first since we are becoming so "close"...

  :Just think, if those terrible Crusaders had completely vanquished Islam, your sisters would not be relegated to second class status.

  Ah yes, if only the Christians could have been more effecient at killing others! Well what can we do but kick ourselves now? I think you should be committed to a hospital you maniac.

  Six-of-nine:

  Friend, you waste your time with Shelby. She is even more slippery, dishonest and irrational than Rex. Toss in "delusional" and there you have it--the biggest waste of time known to man; trying to reason with Shelby.

  To All--

  Indead that special on life in Afghanistan was aired last night on CNN at 11 pm. It will air again tonight at 7 pm. I urge anyone who can to watch it. It is very powerful and well worth watching. It is called Beneath the Veil; Undercover in Afghanistan.

  Always horrified by man's inhumanity to (wo)man--

  Julie
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  Abject Ignorance

  by Amazing in

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  englishman's post about why america is so hated reminded me of what my brother experienced in the country of turkey.

  and maybe this will add to the layers of reasons why some people, especially in the middle east see us through the eye of hate created by the filters of ignorance.. abject ignorance also plays a role.

  during the cold war, my brother worked for the army security agency (asa), the intelligence branch of the army that works closely with the nsa (national security agency).

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  Thanks Amazing--

  Most enlightening. You know should concern all of us is this; there are plenty of radical fundies in Christendom who would have things the same way. In their eyes that is 'the good ol' days". Doubt me? Read some of Rex's blather.

  Julie
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  Questions="dishonest baiting"?

  by Julie in

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  three little scriptures that i feel reflect the opposite of all that christians claim biblegod to be.

  i merely asked a hard-core defender of the faith to justify these as actions of an all-loving, enlightened supreme being.

  here they are along with the "explanations" of them (in a nutshell):.

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  Hi Siegswife,

  :There you go again. You know NOTHING about my friend. She has always been very small and learned from a young age to defend herself against attack.

  I have the same story and would never pull a gun on my own child. Of course I don't even own a gun because I'm not a violent person and I don't go hunting.

  :Was she wrong?

  Yes.

  :Was she wrong for having a gun in her house?

  Not if it is licensed and all legal, it is her right. Sorry to hear she is so quick to use it.
  
  :What is it with atheist anyway? They don't believe in the existance of a God, which means in essence, that we are all god unto ourselves. Yet they use their own conscience to judge someone else.

  I merely explained how it works, the whole children learning violence thing. You told a story and I shared with you what research shows about such behavior. I held such views as I hold now of child rearing while I was a Catholic too. The one thing I haven't changed is my belief that violence has no place in the lives of children. It's not righteous (self or otherwise) thinking, it's enlightened.

  :Do you seek to be god of the world? If you don't, where do you get off judging another 'god' for the decisions they make?

  No I seek to be no one's god, I feel no urge to inspire worship for myself. I have learned a more enlightened way to raise children. I have applied what I learned to my own parenting efforts and have had excellent results. It's as though I did my own case studies. Glad I did, especially after I hear stories like those you shared with us. I realize the effort was well worth it.

  As for judging "another 'god'"--I will guess you are referring to various threads where gruesome bible stories are discussed?? Yes, I have a problem with a god who would commit/condone/order wholesale slaughter and countless various sick acts. Don't you? I consider such a being anything but enlightened. That is my view, you are of course free to worship such a god as you please.

  :If you are adhering to the laws of the land, does that mean the you are in agreement and adhere to all the manmade laws that exist? And if you do, does that mean that the people that make these laws have some superior grasp on the world that they can make laws that should be agreeable to everyone? It sounds confused to me.

  I really do not have any idea just what it was you were trying to say here.

  Julie
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  Questions="dishonest baiting"?

  by Julie in

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  three little scriptures that i feel reflect the opposite of all that christians claim biblegod to be.

  i merely asked a hard-core defender of the faith to justify these as actions of an all-loving, enlightened supreme being.

  here they are along with the "explanations" of them (in a nutshell):.

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  Julie

  Yes, violence is a learned behavior. Maybe your friends never hit the girl but with the way that woman didn't hesitate to whip out a gun on her daughter, she obviously has violent tendancies. One can merely witness violence to learn it, no need to be subjected to it. As to the boy, not only has he learned violence but it sounds like is an angry child as well. Definite problem for society in-the-making there. The saddest part of it is there are so many more than the two obvious examples you set forth Siegswife.

  How sad for us all--

  Julie
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  Questions="dishonest baiting"?

  by Julie in

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  three little scriptures that i feel reflect the opposite of all that christians claim biblegod to be.

  i merely asked a hard-core defender of the faith to justify these as actions of an all-loving, enlightened supreme being.

  here they are along with the "explanations" of them (in a nutshell):.

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  Siegswife--I think that story is terrible. Think about this--that girl wasn't born violent. After reading the story it doesn't take a genius to figure out where the girl learn to deal with things in a violent manner. I'm one of those people who thinks there is a better way to teach kids to deal with things than violence. I don't consider such thinking superior so much as I consider it more enlightened, civilized and achievable by all who are interested in making the effort. Apparently your friend didn't realize this or didn't bother to make the effort. While we cannot know one thing we do know, your friend is producing a young adult who will go into the world with the idea that the way to deal with differences or difficulties is violence. That is where it costs everyone in society. That is the cost to us to for lack of good parenting skills.

  tdog--

  It is my firm believe that these OT accounts are written after the fact and are used to justify human barbarity. There is no other acceptable explanation, IMO.

  Tierce-

  I think you would enjoy the story of Judges 19:15-30. Here we have a guy who follows up on the offer of sacrificing a woman when the crowd demands his visitor. This woman is the visitor's concubine, she is basically raped to death throughout the night, her master finds her dead on the doorstep come morning. He takes her home and cuts her up into twelve pieces and has her body parts distributed throughout the region. Sick shit, eh? I can't believe there are folks who can, with a straight face, insist this is to be considered, without question a part of this book of "enlightenment"--the bible. I can imagine the volumes of gibberish Rex could post in defense of this garbage.

  Julie
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  Afghan Women under Taliban

  by Tina in

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  for those who might be interested in the plight, public murder,bride-price, of women who live under talibans terroriistic fundamentalism........ warning!

  graphic photos.. http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/women.html.

  carl sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny..."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense-you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones.

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  Hey Tina--

  Thanks for helping to raise awareness of this epic horror. I saw a documentary on CNN some time ago where a very brave woman went in and took some hidden cameras and--well you should have seen.

  You may be able to catch it, I think I saw a blurb where it's going to be on again, maybe tonight. I think it is called Beneath the Veil. Look into it everyone, it is well worth watching. Be warned, it's really awful, what some go through.

  Take care all--
  Julie
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  Questions="dishonest baiting"?

  by Julie in

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  three little scriptures that i feel reflect the opposite of all that christians claim biblegod to be.

  i merely asked a hard-core defender of the faith to justify these as actions of an all-loving, enlightened supreme being.

  here they are along with the "explanations" of them (in a nutshell):.

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  Hey everyone--

  I've enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts on the matter. AmazingP, it is nice to hear some honesty on the matter from a believer. I'm glad there are some Christians out there who don't necessarily consider all the barbarism in the bible to be holy or enlightened/inspired or even truthful and they're honest enough to admit it. A refreshing change from those who would defend such as God's doing and reasonable to boot. I am not at all surprised to see Chappy have a similar view as you he's always a laid back sort of open-minded believer. You know, an honest sort. Thanks to you both for your views.

  Siegswife:

  ***Let's see, first of all, Israel had been told not to do it. At 1Chronicles 21:3 It says that Joab pointed out to David that it was wrong, and it seems that all of Israel knew that because at 1Chronicles 21:6 it states that the tribes of Levi and Benjamin refused to participate because they knew that Joab was right. From this I can only surmise that these people had a choice NOT to participate in the census since they knew that God said not to do it. It sounds like the elders (?) of the tribes had the choice to have their tribe participate or not. I would even venture to guess that individual people could have opted not to be counted.
  If you told your kids not to do something, warned them of the consequences and some of them did it anyway, shouldn't those kids received the consequences that they were warned about? If you didn't do what you told them you would do, wouldn't the kids that listened see that there was really no benefit for them to listen to you since you didn't do what you said?

  Don't you think death is a little harsh for being counted? Couldn't they have been struck mute or blind or something? Maybe arthritis or premature hair loss...countless lesser, more reasonable punishments for being counted.

  While I agree that children should receive consequences if forewarned I can't imagine wielding the threat "..or I'll kill you...". I am more likely to point out "if you do not do this now you won't have time later for that". The consequences of their own choices not the consequence of my anger. The earlier they learn that their choices result in consequences beyond the pleasing of a parent the healthier I say. My 2 cents on the matter.

  Thanks all for your thoughts--and the refreshingly civil tone--
  Julie