this has taken a lot of courage to post.
my life with the jws has been one hardship after another.
i am sharing this to help others see that jws claim to be loving and forgiving people while they are not.
Wow Nita,
You have some sordid tales of your own! Thanks for posting and I'm glad you found this site. You bring out some good points about who to talk to for the "real scoop". It really ticks me off how children are treated in this cult. These JWs screw up their kids and then turn them out into society for us to deal with. A shame so many lives ruined.
Take care and keep coming around--
Julie
well, our resident sooth-sayer yk has once again missed the mark, as october ends and the world spins on.
but then again, as was the case in 1914, the world may have come crashing down but i failed to notice.
To those who may not know:
You Know's End Times prophecies are an annual event. EVERY October is going to be "it". We went through this every year on H2O with him so it is nothing new. I would guess the Sept. 11 provided him with a glimmer of hope for at least a short time but the fact remains, it is now November and we're still here (again). As our resident False Prophet Himself would say *yawn*.
Take care all--
Julie
P.S. Mum, is that YOU? The Mum? If so how Absolutely Fabulous!!
i have not followed very many threads of late, so if someone has already made the same observations i'm about to make, i apologize for my redundancy.. .
i admit it: i'm part of a highly secretive, highly elite group.
(we have to drink two quarts of fresh yak blood and get a tattoo of a pentagram on our butts as part of of the initiation.
:Well actually I don't see how the answer to this question is somehow a major point, but it does go a long way in helping ppl to see that the circumstances which gave teeth to Reformation sentiments in Europe had nothing to do with religion.
Perhaps, when you were looking up your answer, you may have noticed that the reformation had *plenty* to do with religion. Mostly the fact with how intertwined religion and secular interests were. Of course you do point out it does "go a long way" in highlighting the circumstances so, in spite of your first claim (not a major point), you bring it to the fore as the major point that it is. Interesting contradiction there bigboi.
Thanks anyway but it wasn't me who needed the lesson in history. I gotta ask though, when you were reading about this weren't you just slapping your thigh over the Pope's "strategy"? And the legate he sent!! Campeggio!! (synonomous with Molasses!) Amazing too that Anne had the will to hold Henry off as long as she did eh? Oh and as far as the "world's most prominent Protestant" goes, good thing Henry didn't hear you say that. He took great pains to show himself more Catholic than the Pope. Even went so far as to burn a few more heretics and such to "prove" it. Interesting times.
Julie
I used to be afraid of the idea of death. Then I nearly died. At first the feeling was sheer panic then a very intense calm came over me.
I have never feared it since, nor will I.
Julie, who marvels at how much a human can live through
i have not followed very many threads of late, so if someone has already made the same observations i'm about to make, i apologize for my redundancy.. .
i admit it: i'm part of a highly secretive, highly elite group.
(we have to drink two quarts of fresh yak blood and get a tattoo of a pentagram on our butts as part of of the initiation.
Greetings Teejay,
I respond here for one reason, we have drifted to a topic where you love to twist things and I will proceed with caution lest I enable you to cry that battlecry we all know so well "Racism!!".
On to the Hood, the Ghetto, the Corner....whatever. I for one know there aren't a whole lot of educated people in these neighborhoods. Why do these few determined souls actually overcome the overwhelming odds of acquiring said education? To get the hell out of the hood!!!
Here is a poem written by one "prisoner" of the hood, about age 18 when he wrote it:
Silent screams and broken dreams,
Addicts, junkies, pushers and fiends.
Crowded spaces and sad faces,
Never look back as the police chase us.
Consumed slowly by the chaos,a victim of the streets,
Hungry for knowledge but afraid to eat.
A life of destruction, it seems no one cares,
A manchild alone with burdens to bare.
Trapped in a life of crime and hate,
It seems the ghetto will be my fate.
If I had just one wish it would surely be,
That God wouldd send some angels to set me free.
Free from the madness, of a city running wild,
Free from the life of a ghetto child.
I find this to be heart-breaking and true. It was in a book called The Corner, A year in the life of an inner-city neighborhood. It was writtne by David Simon and Edward Burns. I highly recommend it to anyone, especially right-wing conservatives. FYI this book really helped me to better understand my own Personal Experiences within these sorts of places. *gasp* Can you imagine a white woman with personal experience in the hood??? Almost enough to rock your world, eh? So it goes.
Personally Todd, I think most folks are like the boy who wrote this poem. Victims of their own circumstances. I also know that a place with people who are not so educated and have little to no hope is a place where someone like you could be made to feel positively brilliant.
It is clear to me by your essay that you knew little about Henry and his time. You learned a smattering and felt equipped to write that essay. I studied the period for years and after I finish my book on someone from the Real middle ages I will do a large work on Henry (who really didn't live in the "middle ages" as you claim). Reading your essay only confirms to me how little is commonly known about events that have helped to shape our world. I hope to make a contribution to change that. Essays like yours don't really help. It's not so much the minor mistakes you make it is more the major factors you leave out. Here's a hint on one: Why did the Pope deny Henry's request for divorce? There are plenty of others but I won't waste any more time here.
My two cents--
Julie
P.S. Prisca, isn't your plate full enough? I don't think you really want to add me to your list honey.
one per person .
radar.
all that we see or seem/ is but a dream within a dream.
You mean here at JWD? Death by post? I had not known of any fatalities, just some bruised egos. Thanks for the update though.
Julie
dr albert ellis has identified 10 irrational beliefs that can influence us and contribute to over reacting in specific situations.. knowing them is the first step in taking back your personal power and not becoming a casuality of such irrational thought.these screwy beliefs tend to make us 'awfulize,think in terms of 'they should,i should' and dysfunctional rationalizations.. 1. worrying too much about what other people think of you.
excessive worrying creates a strong fear of rejection.. these folks will ignore the self to please others or will display this insecurity by attacking others in order to stay distant and detached.. 2. i must not fail at important tasks,and if i do it's terrible and i can't stand it.. 3.people and things should always turn out the way i want them to-and if they don't it's awful,terrible and horrible,and i can't stand it.. 4.if any of the first 3 bad events happens(if im not liked or respected,if i fail,or if things don't turn out as i'd like-then i'll always blame someone for it!
they acted wrongly,as they should not have done,and they are rotten people for acting in that terrible way!.
Where have I been all day, I just found this!
anyhoo, Tina-girl,
Excellent work bringing this here. I saw Joelbear's post about self esteem and saw the reference to this thread. I have to say I have slower become aware of the items on this list. I suppose I could have done it quicker if I'd have read this long ago.
Good points dear--
Julie
this has taken a lot of courage to post.
my life with the jws has been one hardship after another.
i am sharing this to help others see that jws claim to be loving and forgiving people while they are not.
Hi Cassi--
Brave girl. You already know my views about you. You rock. (*Julie giving the Big-Bow-Down to Lady Cassiline*)
Pureheart--
You on the other hand need a lesson in manners. Now go and schlepp some WTs will ya? The Borg needs the dough for legal exspenses.
Julie
i have not followed very many threads of late, so if someone has already made the same observations i'm about to make, i apologize for my redundancy.. .
i admit it: i'm part of a highly secretive, highly elite group.
(we have to drink two quarts of fresh yak blood and get a tattoo of a pentagram on our butts as part of of the initiation.
Hey there Shelby,
Thanks for the kind words (and the other ones too). I wish you well--no curse included.
I was under the impression we are all God's children. I'm thinking of children (and adults) around the world who have never heard of God (or at least the Christian one). So do you think they are worthy of the miseries that many of them suffer? Does God? I don't. I can't believe you do either Shelby.
There are plenty of innocents everywhere who suffer and I do what I can for as many as I can (which, sadly, isn't many). I don't even know them and I care about them. I always wonder, if there were a God, does he ever feel my urge to try and save the people/children in the world from miseries? That leads me to wonder if so, why doesn't he? Being a mere mortal I can only do so much but an infinite being could do it all. The fact that no infinite being ever does "it all" tells me there are two possible answers. A.) There isn't one or B.) he doesn't care.
Just my thoughts on the whole God-love-him-or-reject-him thing.
Regards,
Julie
P.S. you mentioned: But don't worry, dear... I will move on shortly.
No worries Shelby, do as you please, you'll hear little from me if you remain. Even though I think you were pretty darn harsh on "the world", those poor folks.
i am agnostic.
(see no fancy writing stuff).
i dont know if god exists (i think he must - but i dont know).
Greetings to all:
I consider myself to be agnostic, I don't know if there is a god or not. When it comes to demons, I have no belief whatsoever. Like Seeker (whose opinion matters a lot to me btw) I guess I just don't have the sort of mind that conjures up such things. I guess I wasn't that good of a Christian afterall because I am not at all prone to superstition.
Seeker, funny "the demons find me boring". Silly boy, if there were such a thing I am sure anyone as bright and respected as you would be prime target material. Good thing it's a myth in place to back up religious beliefs. Anyone who believes there are demons should be made aware that they exist only in the mind.
Regards,
Julie
