Posts by Gerard

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Anyone have the WT image of a girl clutching a teddy falling down a hole?

by veen in

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http://www.jwfacts.com/index_files/wrong.htm.

Gerard

Mind control through fear is common, but as a non-JW it amazes me that a parent would give such literature and "art" to their children. They are convinced they are spreading the love, I guess.

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Anyone have the WT image of a girl clutching a teddy falling down a hole?

by veen in

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http://www.jwfacts.com/index_files/wrong.htm.

The"smelly stuff "hits the fan

by wobble in

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thurs @ 4 p,m bst (british summer time) the p.o ,or should i say now de-moted co-ordinator(i wonder if he knows?

) and a mincer are coming to encourage me.this is the official heavy visit i reckon.

i havn't been to a meeting since about april this year and have been inactive since a year before that.. i do not want to be d'f'd or to disassociate as i have all my family still in,my dear old mum(nearly ninety,in da troof sixty years) right down to great nephews and nieces etc.

Gerard

Tell them that you are taking medication against clinical depession and that you feel very unstable.

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Big JW mutiny in the Vancouver BC area!!

by 1914BS in

well this year'a assembly is over and the dubs in the vancouver bc area are mad at the gb.

about 100.000 dubs had to travel all the way to kamloops bc about a 300 mile drive one way!!.

i have heard that that each dub had to shell out $500 bucks and more for food and lodging just to hear some druel about scolio.

Gerard

Unfortunately, the 'mutiny' seems to be over the driving distance, not on JW ~~crap~~ doctrine.

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NASA AGREES WITH THE BIBLE...ACCORDING TO JW EMAIL

by whereami in

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this stuff just makes me laugh.

where are they getting this stuff from???

isaiah spoke to the lord, and the lord brought the shadow ten degrees backward!

Gerard

There are so many wrong facts in that email I would not know where to start....

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News item downunder - Has Bigfoot been found?

by ozziepost in

this is showing as headline news downunder, don't know why, but how about it, you merry cans?.

is it newsworthy?.

has bigfoot been found?august 14, 2008, 10:34 pm.

Gerard

Thing is...... Elvis was wearing the suit.

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My theory about the behavior and obsession of some ex-JWs

by Simon in

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i've had this theory for some time and alluded to it occassionally but have never explored it in detail.. it is of course a huge generalisation so no, not everyone will fit into the boxes and i'd like people's opinion.

i don't know everyone's circumstances so it's based on a small sample of some of those i do know something about.

it could be completely wrong, it's just an idea.. basically, i have seen a difference between some of those ex-jws who walked out vs those who were kicked out.. the most bitter and obsessive seem to be the kicked out and, i must add, those who were legitimately kicked out.

Gerard

Hillari, you are almost there! Getting the last word TLW TM means that you win the debate. It also shows your moral superiority, and willingness to stand your ground. This should convince your opponent that you are correct, and will certainly impress your fellows.

It is particularly important to get the last word where you are in some doubts as to the merits of your case. The last word will serve as a clinching argument that will make up for any deficiencies in your logic. Achieving the last word now also brings the advantage that you may subsequently point to your success in this debate as the clinching argument in future debates. However, if you did not win the last discussion, I still recommend claiming incessantly that you did.

If your opponent attempts to seize the last word for themselves, be careful to point out the folly of this strategy, perhaps citing this post. This clever technique allows you to simultaneously regain the last word for yourself while making any sort of reply from your opponent seem in bad faith.

Cheers,

GF

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Humorous assay on "The Truth"

by Gerard in

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i came across this humorous assay wikipedia and although it was wwritten for wiki, i thought on the similarities with the wt's attitude: .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wikipedia:truth.

characteristics of the truth.

Gerard

I came across this humorous assay Wikipedia and although it was wwritten for Wiki, I thought on the similarities with the WT's attitude:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TRUTH

Characteristics of The Truth

It is sometimes hard for the uninitiated to differentiate between simple facts or opinions and The Truth. Some defining characteristics of The Truth include:

The Truth, unlike an opinion, is not open to reasonable debate. Any reasonable person presented with The Truth will agree with it, so by definition, any debate or resistance must be unreasonable.
The Truth will encounter great opposition. Normally, unreasonable people can be placated by making up some unreasonable arguments, and to make sure that you don't just have a boring old fact, this should be tried. The Truth, however, will be vehemently opposed by nearly everyone, making large amounts of opposition from many people clear evidence of being The Truth. Remember, don't feel discouraged when you are the sole bearer of The Truth. Eventually, reasonable people will come and agree with The Truth, and although you may have to bully many people away, The Truth will be written on Wikipedia.
The Truth is appropriate everywhere. Mere facts can sometimes be irrelevant, such as the molecular structure of a lettuce leaf in an article on Albanian politics. But The Truth is always relevant, and should be included everywhere that text can be put.
The Truth does not require verification through reliable sources. That sort of thing may be necessary for mere "facts", but we're talking about The Truth here, people!
The Truth is best communicated through repetition. The first attempts to insert The Truth into Wikipedia are often met with resistance in the form of three-letter acronyms and references to "policy" and "consensus". When other editors oppose The Truth in such a manner, the most likely explanation is that they have not heard it repeated frequently enough.
The Truth will cause the blinders to fall off your eyes whereby you will fall to your knees and weep causing you to take up the valiant charge against those poor unfortunate souls who just don't get The Truth. Conversely those who refuse to see The Truth are death choosers and will always devalue life.
The Truth takes no pronouns in any language, because The Truth is cool like that.
Though everyone thinks they know The Truth, nobody actually knows The Truth except you.
The Truth is out there.

Defenders of The Truth

Obviously, The Truth needs defenders. These noble souls, who fly in the face of "consensus" and "verifiability", refuse to kneel to the power of disagreement, knowing that in the end The Truth will prevail. The best Defenders of The Truth will repeatedly make the same argument that The Truth is correct, hoping some will come to find the error of their ways and repent to support The Truth. After a couple days of doing this, enough people should have converted to The Truth that there is no question it will stay. This is the ideal situation for The Truth.

Remember, nobody believed Einstein, Newton, or Galileo at first, either. You are exactly like those men. Only righter.

Opposers of The Truth

However, not everyone is willing to understand The Truth. There are some who will oppose The Truth eternally, and you must be aware of certain things about them.

They will probably try to have a reasoned argument with you. However, the first characteristic of The Truth dictates that this is logically impossible. Therefore, they must be irrational people, and no purpose is served in interacting with them in any way (although a light scoff may make you feel better). You can safely ignore the people who do this, and continue with your method of repeating the same argument in the face of irrational opposition. The Truth only needs one argument!
They may demonstrate that everyone disagrees with you. This is likely to be true, but make sure to maintain indifference! If you're trying to bring The Truth somewhere, then clearly it doesn't already exist there. And if it doesn't exist, then there must logically be a cabal obstructing it. Most cabals are so sneaky that no possible investigation will prove their existence! So, just remember, anyone who opposes The Truth is unreasonable or part of a cabal, and both groups of people can safely be dismissed. Try that light scoff again.
If they caballed their way through RFA, they may use their rollback tool to revert you faster, and they may even block you! If you are blocked while contributing The Truth, you should make a couple hundred sockpuppets through a dynamic IP, preferably with names like Wikipediaiscensorship, Imrightandyourewrong, or Endtheeviladmincabal. Now, use most of these accounts making complaints to WP:ANI or various admins' talk pages about your block. After that, file an Arbcom case against the admin who blocked you, all editors who disagreed with you, and anyone who reverted your ANI postings. Make sure to involve all your sockpuppets in the arbitration proceedings, either to provide support for your side or to make the other side look stupid. Also remember to reserve a few; that way, in case YOU end up banned instead, a mysterious and unbiased editor can show up a week later and note what a huge injustice it was.

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My theory about the behavior and obsession of some ex-JWs

by Simon in

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i've had this theory for some time and alluded to it occassionally but have never explored it in detail.. it is of course a huge generalisation so no, not everyone will fit into the boxes and i'd like people's opinion.

i don't know everyone's circumstances so it's based on a small sample of some of those i do know something about.

it could be completely wrong, it's just an idea.. basically, i have seen a difference between some of those ex-jws who walked out vs those who were kicked out.. the most bitter and obsessive seem to be the kicked out and, i must add, those who were legitimately kicked out.

Gerard

Gerard,
What you said came across as extreme, but I must say I agree that DFing is NOT acceptable even if "the rules are in place" in the cult. As you said, someone could be born into JWs and baptised at a young age, then have to suffer just because they are attempting to live a normal life.

Reading an outrageous conclusion on the moral character of all ex-JWs, from the owner of this forum, makes me upset and does not help me verbalize my reproval. I meant no offense at any ex-JW, only at Simon and Hillary.

It is true that this forum ownership has come to its useful life.

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My theory about the behavior and obsession of some ex-JWs

by Simon in

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friends

i've had this theory for some time and alluded to it occassionally but have never explored it in detail.. it is of course a huge generalisation so no, not everyone will fit into the boxes and i'd like people's opinion.

i don't know everyone's circumstances so it's based on a small sample of some of those i do know something about.

it could be completely wrong, it's just an idea.. basically, i have seen a difference between some of those ex-jws who walked out vs those who were kicked out.. the most bitter and obsessive seem to be the kicked out and, i must add, those who were legitimately kicked out.

Gerard

Following Simon's lown logic, he "deserved" the threats against him and his family, as his activities go against the current WT rules.

One thing I'll never get over is seeing so many JWs and ex-JWs operating under a black or white premise.

Then again, why should I care for Simon's perception and categorization of ex-JWs.....