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  Last Night's Intervention

  by brotherdan in

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  i'm afraid of starting a new post because i've stepped on a few feet here with my last post... but i still love you guys.. last night i went home to find my wife and her friend on the couch with the bible, ready to show me how i'm wrong and exercising "apostate thinking".

  my wife said, "i am unable to fight you with the bible because you know more than me about it.

  but k** knows more and will be able to show you how you are wrong.. so my wife went into the other room so as not to be stumbled by my discussion.

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  One interesting thing happened though. I brought up the double standards that the WT has had through the years. I gave her the experience of the Malawi and Mexican Witnesses that was discussed in Crises of Conscience. She was silent and eventually said...."That really disturbs me". I couldn't believe it. I thought that was the weakest and most unbiblical of my arguments. I begged her to read the book and assured her that it wasn't an angry hate filled book. She didn't commit, but I'm going to follow up.

  Your wife's friend may become your greatest ally in getting her to investigate the WT for herself.

  I actually brought up the fact that JWs are similar to other mind control groups in almost every single way. Obviously she disagreed and changed the subject. But I did bring it up.

  Steven Hassan's two books were so necessary for me to understand how a high control group recruits and enslaves the minds of their followers. Stunning to me that he didn't even know about the JWs when he wrote the first one Combatting Cult Mind Control. Read chapter 4 of that one if you don't have time right now to read the whole book. The Strategic Interaction Approach in Chapter 3 of his other book Releasing the Bonds is helping me to develop a plan. Just a short while ago I was feeling pretty helpless. These books were recommended to me here and on JWR and I inhaled them.

  It was actually interesting because I heard some defenses that I hadn't come across yet. She was very aware of false prophecies in the past. But she held that they were not prophecies.

  I asked my husband about the false prophecies and he said that it only happened once and that those people were not really JWs. I told him it happened more that once and I could see the surprise register in his face. Then he changed the subject. Now I wish I could ask him who were those people then. Wish I had been better prepared but at the time I didn't know about all this great information on the internet and now he refuses to speak to me concerning his doctrine. But I'm working on a plan and it makes me feel hopeful.

  Did your wife ask you anything about it afterwards? If she didn't ask you she's certainly asking her friend. You got some great points across in "your intervention". I'm looking forward to your next post.
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  Been verrrry, very sad

  by xelder in

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  i last posted in mid february about my wife.

  we were adjusting to the new realisation of what the wts really is.. she has since left me, and i have been reeling ever since, but now after 5 months, i'm getting back some strength.

  i haven't been able to post on here because i just couldn't talk about it.

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  Hi xelder. I pray you to continue to get stronger and stronger. It's good that you're posting here again. And by the way 50 is the new 30.
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  Just signed up!

  by Ice cream in

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  hi folks, i'm already a member of jwr (different name), but i read far more posts here than on that board so i thought i would join in.

  plenty of good company here by the looks.

  cheers .

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  Hi Ice cream and welcome. I'm also a member of JWR. Love it here too.
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  Short Intro

  by ZeusRocks in

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  i can only say i'm new here in the sense i've just been able to join.

  i have actually followed this forum for over a year now.

  i've tried joing several times but must have been doing something wrong, so i thought i'd try one more time and it finally worked.. i was a born-in jw.

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  Welcome to the board ZeusRocks.
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  A Jehovah's Witness has admitted sexually abusing a young boy from the age of seven.

  by truthseekeriam in

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  http://news.stv.tv/scotland/west-central/187628-jehovahs-witness-sexually-abused-seven-year-old-boy/.

  a jehovah's witness has admitted sexually abusing a young boy from the age of seven.. thomas gold, 45, abused the child over a period of seven years at an address in clackmannanshire.

  the abuse began with a kiss on the boy's mouth, and became more sexual as the youngster got older.. on one occasion there was "unnatural carnal connection" between them.

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  "He approached elders at his church and told them and they said it was wrong and that if it continued he would have to be disfellowshipped by the church."

  This is what they tell him. This child has literally been to hell and back and this is what they tell him. How cruel.

  I pray he finds healing and support and love. This makes my heart heavy.
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  Just Heard Some Shocking News

  by jookbeard in

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  a predatory jw paedophile micheal porter (uk) who has a 15 year record of abuse including the rape of his own baby but somehow evaded jail now is a member of my old congregation;wimbledon.

  words fail me, to think of the years of shunning that these idiots have heaped upon me even by my own family and this piece of shit was seen a this years memorial laughing and joking with the congregation.

  strange that this news story slipped passed me when it was broadcast by the british media in 2007..

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  Could the judge be a JW as well or be mentally imbalanced. It's obvious to everyone that this man should not be free and will offend again. Even his own sister testifies to this. The judge's record of rulings should be reviewed because this ruling was crazy. There's got to be other questionable rulings in the judges past.
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  Instrucitons for using the toilet at the convention (pic)

  by maninthemiddle in

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  this was posted in the men's room stall, i hear the instructions in the womens room was more detailed.. this was in addition to having a "bathroom attendant" handing out 1 paper towel per person.. i haven't felt so childish since i was in grade schooll, i had to wonder if all the tall people around me were really grown men and women.. .

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  Hopefully it wont come to how much toilet paper exactly is needed. 4 squares for #1 and 6 squares for #2.
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  Goodbye Everybody!

  by drew sagan in

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  startfragment.

  after thinking things over i have realized that the time has now come for me to say goodbye to jwd.. some personal reminiscing about all of the people i have enjoyed talking with on jwd reminds me why it is time to go.

  simply speaking, most of my good friends are no longer here.

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  This makes me sad. I just recently got here and on my first post your responses were so enlightening. Do you really have to go? Can't you stay a little longer?
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  Saddening and Inspiring...

  by IronHill in

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  ok, so we received our new copy of crisis of conscience (since my previous copy was lent out and never returned) and me and the wifey have been reading it together for the past couple nights.

  i have read the book before, and know the shock felt when you read about certain things in the organization.

  she admits to having lingering thoughts and feelings of guilt for leaving perhaps the only true religion.

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  "All I could do was hold her and let her cry, assuring her that this was the scary part of letting go but that things would eventually get better."

  This part of your post made me cry. Sweet that you have each other to lean on.
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  PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT- CULTURE

  by serenitynow! in

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  so as not to hijack another thread i decided that a thread on culture could be useful.

  i'd like to provide a safe place for people to talk about cultural norms or abnormals.

  you don't want to learn that you've done or said the wrong thing by gettin' a fist in the face, know what i'm saying?.

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  I've offended people by pure ignorance. Because of that I love to hear about different cultures and I'm hoping to learn a lot of neat things on this thread.

  I speak a dialect. Where I'm from calling a female, women or child, gyal (girl in english) is common everday communication. My dialect is close to the Jamaican's dialect. Calling any Jamaican girl or woman by that term is calling her a good for nothing dirty person. Learned that through my wonderful Jamaican friends.

  A friend of mine told me that growing often he would hear his father say, "I'm gonna Jew you". It was not until he was an adult that someone brought it to his attention the term he was using was derogatory. He had never given it any thought.

  Growing up I learned that it was bad manners to belch. The Amish, however, especially the men, belch really loud at the end of their meal. It shows their wives that the really enjoyed the meal.