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  Women as weaker vessel - explain?

  by Libelle in

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  ok, the mr. constantly rolls his eyes and tells me i just don't understand anytime any of his literature shows up with something along the lines of "women are the weaker vessel.

  " apparently (at least in his own little mind), it does not mean women are these delicate, breakable, weaker things, but something else... something more subtle.

  anytime he's ever explained it to me (which has been a few years, i reckon), it's come out sounding like reason for women being second class citizens... is he just putting his own spin on it?

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  elderelite

  Please dont shoot the messenger (meaning me)... i am only offering what i hear from the platform and offering my own little thoughts on what it means. As I say i dont think emotions are weak. And I also agree that men have many emotional triggers (football season proves that). It was a male dominated society that wrote these things and thus it is reflected in the writings of the times.

  However, i have benefited from the council to treat my wife as "fragile".. men are VERY rough with each other (locker room type mentality) and being reminded that women are not "rough" in the same ways is a positive thing. As men we can fight it out and be bloody and bleeding but still friends five minutes later. My wife isn't going for that. its different, but not weaker.
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  Meeting topics that cover sex

  by Libelle in

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  occassionally the mr will say that "some visitors are shocked because we will talk about sex, even with children in attendance.

  " what exactly are they talking about in these meetings.

  things like "don't masturbate" or things like if you position yourself like this, and your woman like this while having sex, then you're fornicating?.

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  elderelite

  I'll bite.

  ( are you testing me Mrs jones?)

  Perhaps this is the difference in what I am saying and what you two fine ladies are saying... Doing the housework, in and of itself, did not get your man laid. You already loved your man and wanted to be intimate with him and perhaps him helping around the house let you go to bed earlier thus leading to a little more fun for all. Fair enough. My point is that if I walk into a bar and say to a pretty gal, "hey I'll do the dishes if you sleep with me".. this is not going to get the desire result. Thus, doing house work doesn't, in and of itself, get you laid. But i do understand being kind and thoughtful, which may include housework, can lead to the promised land.
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  Women as weaker vessel - explain?

  by Libelle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok, the mr. constantly rolls his eyes and tells me i just don't understand anytime any of his literature shows up with something along the lines of "women are the weaker vessel.

  " apparently (at least in his own little mind), it does not mean women are these delicate, breakable, weaker things, but something else... something more subtle.

  anytime he's ever explained it to me (which has been a few years, i reckon), it's come out sounding like reason for women being second class citizens... is he just putting his own spin on it?

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  elderelite

  I can tell you that it is purposely kept vague in print. the organization always gives it more of an emotional slant when speaking from the platform. a more fragile emotional makeup type thing is the gist. To an extent i agree... No i dont think women are "fragile" or "weak" emotionally but since it was written by a man, from a man's point of view, i assume it was more of a statement that women let emotions influence them, as opposed to cold hard type "logic"... personally i think both are needed and valuable but there are times when letting emotion cloud your thinking could be viewed as "weak"... thus the encouragement to take your wife's emotions and feelings into account instead of letting cold hard logic rule all decision making.
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  Women as weaker vessel - explain?

  by Libelle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok, the mr. constantly rolls his eyes and tells me i just don't understand anytime any of his literature shows up with something along the lines of "women are the weaker vessel.

  " apparently (at least in his own little mind), it does not mean women are these delicate, breakable, weaker things, but something else... something more subtle.

  anytime he's ever explained it to me (which has been a few years, i reckon), it's come out sounding like reason for women being second class citizens... is he just putting his own spin on it?

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  elderelite

  It means we have to dust and polish if we want to get laid...

  (sorry couldn't help myself)..

  here is a brief quote that may help...

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  w065/15p.32TheValueof“aWeakerVessel”

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  The

  Valueof“aWeaker

  Vessel”

  “YOU husbands, continue dwelling [with your wives] according to knowledge,” wrote the apostle Peter, “assigning them honor as to a weaker vessel, the feminine one.” (1 Peter 3:7) Does this Scriptural reference to a woman as “a weaker vessel” belittle women in any way? Let us see what the inspired writer originally intended to convey.

  The Greek noun rendered “honor” means “price, value, . . . respect.” Thus, a Christian husband is to treat his wife with tenderness, showing her due consideration as a delicate, precious vessel. This is not demeaning at all. As an example, consider the Tiffany lotus lamp. This exquisitely fine lamp can indeed be considered delicate. Does the lamp’s fragile nature diminish its value? Far from it! In 1997 the original Tiffany lotus lamp sold at an auction for 2.8 million dollars! Its delicate makeup served to enhance its value, not diminish it.

  Likewise, assigning a woman honor as to a weaker vessel does not devalue or demean her. Dwelling with his wife “according to knowledge” means that a husband takes into account her strengths and limitations, likes and dislikes, outlook and feelings. A caring husband recognizes and respects personality differences between him and his wife. He shows due consideration for her “in order for [his] prayers not to be hindered.” (1 Peter 3:7) A husband who fails to respect his wife’s feminine virtues endangers his own relationship with God. Clearly, God’s Word does not belittle women. Rather, it dignifies and honors them.

  or perhaps this one:

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  w05 3/1p.18par.10WiseGuidanceforMarriedCouples

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  In what way, then, are women ‘weaker vessels’? Perhaps Peter was referring to the fact that, on average, women are smaller and have less physical strength than men. In addition, in our imperfect state, the wonderful privilege of bearing children exacts a physical toll. Women of childbearing age may be subject to physical discomforts on a regular basis. They certainly need special care and consideration when experiencing such discomforts or enduring the exhausting trials of being pregnant and giving birth. A husband who assigns honor to his wife, recognizing the support that she needs, will contribute greatly to the success of the marriage.
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  Meeting topics that cover sex

  by Libelle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  occassionally the mr will say that "some visitors are shocked because we will talk about sex, even with children in attendance.

  " what exactly are they talking about in these meetings.

  things like "don't masturbate" or things like if you position yourself like this, and your woman like this while having sex, then you're fornicating?.

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  elderelite

  one real life example please. have YOU, libelle, ever had sex with your s/o because he vacuumed or did the dishes?
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  so on the "up" side...

  by elderelite in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  its a "worldly" holiday and both my daughter and i are at home, not in service.

  i got up, made us breakfast, (sausage and eggs) and now i'm playing on jw net.. on the downside, my wife and son are out in service and i have to sit down and put together my service groups time and turn that in to the secretary... (although my son didnt want to go.. he complained "cant we just have a chill day".. i was going to let him stay home but he changed his mind to go see a friend who said he was also going out...).

  all you active jw's... did you or are you going out..or are you ditching?.

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  elderelite

  LOL @ inbetween
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  Could you die without anyone noticing?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  not long ago i had 100 'friends' - or so i thought.

  i certainly had 100 or more people who said they were friends.

  then i left a cult, and found myself with very few friends - those kind in the flesh, in the community.

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  elderelite

  nicely said terry. And yet I have to ask.. does it matter if anyone else notices..? I am content to live so I notice. To live as I see fit. To not be tied to ridiculous rules that self righteous clowns make up in an attempt to exercise control over another and "be the masters of their faith".

  I am content to know I am alive. If someone else notices it is a happy bonus.
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  Meeting topics that cover sex

  by Libelle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  occassionally the mr will say that "some visitors are shocked because we will talk about sex, even with children in attendance.

  " what exactly are they talking about in these meetings.

  things like "don't masturbate" or things like if you position yourself like this, and your woman like this while having sex, then you're fornicating?.

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  elderelite

  equally as sad is that some nieve young married guys buy into the nonsense that housework=sex

  no one ever got laid off of housework
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  questions

  by soidufs09 in

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  2. friends

  some time ago like 12 bros were disfellowshipped from brooklyn, they were all in shipping or the printery and were later called the "dirty dozen".

  anyone know who/why they were disfellowshipped?

  what goes on in elder meetings, and elder meetings during assemblies?

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  elderelite

  thats a mouth full.. perhaps you could tell us a little about yourself (nothing you are not comfortable sharing of course)

  I will answer one of your questions.. elders meetings during assemblies are the most boring and totally useless of all elders meetings. It is a brief business meeting. Nothing more than a statement of accounts. sorry to disappoint.
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  a Challange to DJEggnogg

  by elderelite in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i love how you try to sound sure of yourself, especially when people question why you are on this board.

  so in a spirit of full disclosure, why not reveal our true names.

  if you are what and who you claim, i would have a much easier time accepting what you say.

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  elderelite

  bump. common eggnog, lets be honest and up front... who are you? are you really so sure of your position that you would not be in trouble with the organization? fess up.. who are you?