it happened to me this weekend.
i'm curently "active" and had some long time friends from a different congregation over for dinner.. we went through the formality of praying before the meal.
normally or rather lately i've been passing it off to someone else.
when i was in, i often drew the short straw & had to perform the closing prayer farce. What a shameful nonsense.
what was i praying at ? did this giant invisible vacuum pay any attention?
of course not.
it was all an act to pacify all the barmy " noddy's", the dear old girls who weren't allowed to perform the daft ritual themselves.
thank god i've been out of that crap 30+ years
your turn?
ok, what happens in the case of a person being dfed who works for another witness, if the witness fires him/her for being df?
lets assume the df person wants to get back in.
many times a person who is dfed still believes in the org...and feels guilty so would not file an unemployment claim.
this is my story in relation to this topic:
i live on a small island (pop.=140,000) in the UK
back in the late 1980's i worked self employed as a double glazing salesman.
because the company i represented went bust (quite common in that industry ) i went to work for another company
owned by a jw elder AND his wife--both i had known well in my jw days.
i needed a job & he needed a good salesman ( i was shit hot )
all went well---business flew in, i got paid ---everyone happy---what could go wrong???
ENTER THE CONGREGATION
the other elders were not at all happy (surprise surprise )
they told my boss if he did not get rid of me he would lose his position---he protested his business needed me
no avail---it was then said because he was "associating" with an apostate he could be DF'd AND HIS WIFE !! because she was a director of the business!
you can guess the rest
i hold no animosity toward that bro--he was put in a no-win position--he told me if the bastards hadn't involved his wife he would have told them what he thought.
we met up years later, still chat to each other, totally nice guy---hope he sees the REAL light one day.
br.
pierce addressed the rising number of memorial partakers at the convention on sunday.. he said that many are asking why the number of partakers is going up year after year.. his response (paraphrasing): "it's none of our business.
it's jehovah's business".. in other words, shut up and keep your place.. 5th.
errr, we discussed on a previous thread that various factors about the 144,000 are symbolic: virgin men from the tribes of israel--whatever--
suppose geebee get even newer light & see the 144,000 number itself is symbolic--then surely all who wish to partake can do so--
say 7 million or so---
problem then is they're all equal---no 2 tier system
did i read somewhere we are all equal in the eyes of the Lord?
to me this is a serious matter as the annointed are the basis of how the organization is set up and operates.
yet i have great difficulty in understanding how these people know that they are annointed.
does the bible actually say that they will know?
i only ever knew 3 of the annointed, this was back in the late 1960's, in birmingham ( england UK )
2 of them were elderly, must now be long dead
the 3rd, well he was an idle workshy slob who occasionally pitched up at meetings
he had lots of young kids
one memorial night he shocked the cong, apart from turning up--he partook of the embems
for some time afterwards he was adamant he felt he was of the annonted
one wag said
" he may be going to heaven, but he sure left a great crowd on earth"
as a publisher, still buying the wt line that they were god's sole channel and any problems, doubts, etc... i had were all a product of my own lack of.
wisdom and or humility or failure of application, i would be shocked and puzzled at how long-time elders would resign and then fade away.
i would wonder: what could have happened.
quote from 3 years ago:
"the borg asked elders who engaged in sexual predatory activity to resign, and many did"
???
was this a cover-up or what?
nah---you've GOT to be pulling my leg---surely
i have to hand it to some of you!.
@oldlightnewshite, i just noticed that was your 1st post! congratulations--i'm new here too & dont know many names.
hope you dont think my previous post was taking a pop at you.
what's your pet-hate witnessisms?
mine is 'in the truth'.
blegh!!
"we"---as in "we know"--"we believe" etc
i have to hand it to some of you!.
i haven't taken the piss out of elderlite, or any one else. having read some of EE's posts, i wanted to avoid any form of personal insults, as i didn't want to cause him any
stress, as it seems from what ive read he has more than enough on his plate at this stage.
purely from my viewpoint, having been totally out for half my life, i have no interest in the latest "new light" or whatever bullshit now viewed from a slightly different angle.
so, i would rather read more elders have resigned than get tit-bits that no doubt will sooner or later be openly available, in some WT publication, for those who still need their fix.
to all members who still associate with the jw's, please consider this:.
if you're "in" because you fear you might lose spouse/family /friends--why not put it to the test.. just leave.. no need to resign: just stop all association--dont accept any literature/offers of help/shepherding/whatever.. what is likely to happen---will your spouse start divorce proceedings?--on what grounds?.
will your family /friends turn their back on you?--maybe.
to all members who still associate with the jw's, please consider this:
if you're "in" because you fear you might lose spouse/family /friends--why not put it to the test.
just leave.
no need to resign: just stop all association--dont accept any literature/offers of help/shepherding/whatever.
what is likely to happen---will your spouse start divorce proceedings?--on what grounds?
will your family /friends turn their back on you?--maybe
only one way to find out
& if it all gets too bad for you---you can always go back--think of all the happiness you will bring to them
dont worry, the WTsoc will always have you back--
to them its about bums on seats & money.
but at least you will know for yourself, you might even find who your real friends are.
oh, & dont worry about dying at armageddon--just blame me-- i take full responsibility.
so--why not buy time--what have you got to lose?
i have to hand it to some of you!.
i still can't come to terms with why someone can continue "to serve jehovah" as an elder/servant/pioneer or whatever the now-fashionable word for WT slave might be,
and yet be a regular member of this apostate site, over a lengthy period.
to praise them for leaking inside information from "senior" levels to this board begs 2 questions
1: why would many of us want this information?
2: is it implied we need this because in reality we think we are missing out?
