as a born-in, i was eager to join the ministry school.
my cousins were also born-in but lived in different states.
there was keen competition to see who could do mature things, such as baptism (my mom said when i was 35) and ministry school.
i remember--back in the 60's--in west bromwich--UK--a lovely warm hearted west indian bro---who had no concept of timing.
end of his minskool talk--buzzer sounds--he ignores it--so--after another minute--2 bros walk up on the stage and frog-march him off---still giving his talk.
i was in tears.
as a born-in, i was eager to join the ministry school.
my cousins were also born-in but lived in different states.
there was keen competition to see who could do mature things, such as baptism (my mom said when i was 35) and ministry school.
yes--it did--the ministry school made me what i am today
A COMPLETE ASSHOLE
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in the last 4 months my eyes have been opened to ttatt, my biggest issue is that the elders have been grooming me to appoint me as an elder.
are elders appointed by holy spirit?
then--tearfully AGREE TO BE AN ELDER--but show humility--and bow to their wise choice
does the holy spirit cock it up sometimes--?
oh boy--just think of all the fun you can have " stuff pioneering--for starters.
throw your weight around in the cong---see how many you can stumble
assignments--talks--this just brings tears to my eyes--think of the gaffs and crap you can come out with--who will challenge you--(who will even notice !!)
and--at home--just think of the pleasure--and prestige---- it will bring your dear wife
to start with---------
hi pepeep am attempting to get a current list of uk travelling overseers.
left 4 years ago and have heard rumours of many new ones.
.
names i remeber from 40+ years ago:
ron drage (say no more )
peter ellis--seemed a nice guy.
i think those 2 are at the UK headquarters.
others:
oliver macdonald
graham carmichael
bevan vigo
bill bull
doug turnbull
the late ken richmond
i am just wondering about all of you who have been on this site for long.
in all of the events that have happened since 2000 (for example, september 11th), have you at any point, even you die-hard apostates, felt like "oooh sh!t... i should go back to the kh"... just to have the world survive the latest disaster?.
what was the worst event for you, in terms of saying... "did i mess up???
i was an active dub in the 60's--a regular pioneer even. we all lived in the cold war era--hoping a nuclear war would never happen. so --we preached an alternative--jehovah was going to destroy everybody ( except his witnesses ) instead. we simply swapped 1 fear for another.
but--hand on heart i never bought the armageddon idea--but then--i didnt believe in jehovah either. thats 1 of the reasons i quit well before '75.
several footnotes in the nwt correctly define apostasy as "unfaithfulness".. that is spiritual unfaithfulness/adultery/fornication/prostitution/harlotry.. in scripture the jews were called (spiritual) prostitutes (37 times in ezekiel chapters 16 and 23).. they claimed a relationship with the god of abraham.. yet they lusted after other gods.. and they had frequent wanton spiritual intercourse with these gods.. to cover-up their own lewd apostasy the watctower lyingly redefines the word to mean a dissenter (against the watchtower).. anyone who dissents is labelled an apostate.. ray franz discovered their apostasy.. he dissented.. he exposed their spiritual harlotry in detail (isocf and coc).. they lyingly labelled him an apostate.. and many if not most exjws say this is all fine.. even worse, many exjws proudly wear the label.. to show their proud support of watchtower lies and cover-ups.. how sad....
i resigned from the cult in the early 70's.
in '81 i had an affaire with a married sister. she was d/f'd--but it was announced ( so i'm told ) that i couldnt be d/f'd--because i had already resigned. so i was labeled an apostate--and the dear bruvvers were told to have nothing to do with me.
i openly admit i was an adulterer--ive heard it called many names--but not apostacy. we live and learn.
during our engagement, we fooled around and touch each other down there.
it's not a "tap" but definitely is not "stimulation".
i tried to convince my wife, who, after 5 years of marriage, strangely felt guilty all the sudden, that its not do called porneia.
best thing is to persuade your wife to confess out loud to jehovah--and if he wants her to go to the elders---he will say so.
i am reuniting with past students and return visits.. i met up with a young lad i used to call on.
he is not baptised, but at university in his 20's and living away from home.
his mother is a jw and his father is not.
apparently--in january 1981-the local congregation--on the isle if wight UK---labelled me as an apostate. i wasnt there -of course--and ive never been back either.
i didnt know what they meant--someone told me it meant i'd joined another religion--ha ha--fat chance. 1 crazy religion is enough in 1 lifetime.
frankly--i dont give a toss what label they want to call me.
i call them the ONE word they really hate--CULT
"do you realize how much of a privelge it is to enjoy the visit of the circuit overseer?
they are appointed by the governing body who in turn are apointed by jesus and holy spirit.
so you have a great privilege when we visit your congregation, because it is the same thing as having jesus visit you.
bobbing their heads up and down.
40 years ago it used to amuse me watching those in the audience doing just that. most were older women hanging on each spoken word. i would imagine most have passed on by now.
please tell me modern day young dubs use their brain cells a bit more.
i have noticed that there are different reactions to learning the "truth about the truth".
some become quite bitter and angry and become very activist.
others seem to just move on quite easily.. .
i'm angry--and bitter--but not directly for myself.
my older son left the religion--and a born-in nutcase of a wife. he then formed a relationship with a very sensible lady--and ended up d/f'd. his mother--my first wife--promptly shunned him. he got married in september--i was invited to the wedding. his mother didnt attend.
so---once again--a family relationship is destroyed--by the cult.
