Look at the brighter side, at least you don't have to be hiding.
Then you can openly express your views and opposition to Watchtower.
Let us know how it goes.
Your friend for a common cause.
Posts by ruruj
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28Elder's message to me, on me being disfellowshipped tomorrow.
by whereami init saddens me greatly to see all that has happened and to see my friends in this position.
for me its a great loss but i hope that it will only be temporary.
please allow jehovahs discipline to mold you and youre way of thinking.
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Don't leave, its God's organization....
by dissed inrecently, i've been seeing this argument displayed here more frequently by those still believing jw's.. usually in reply to arguments they can not answer well, like 1914, generation(s), etc.... its almost like, they are are having serious doubts as well, but their fall back is, "but its god organization....where else would you go......don't leave, we are so close to the end".
as one recently shared their experience with a jc.
the elders, when feeling trapped on explanations, fell back to this defense.
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Watchtower is producing rotten fruit; therefore NOT God's organization.
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Don't leave, its God's organization....
by dissed inrecently, i've been seeing this argument displayed here more frequently by those still believing jw's.. usually in reply to arguments they can not answer well, like 1914, generation(s), etc.... its almost like, they are are having serious doubts as well, but their fall back is, "but its god organization....where else would you go......don't leave, we are so close to the end".
as one recently shared their experience with a jc.
the elders, when feeling trapped on explanations, fell back to this defense.
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alice.in.wonderland familiar with this ...
(Matthew 7:15-20) "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."
Watchtower is a bad tree producing fanatic J.W. fruit.
"At this point there's no reason to accept Jehovah's organization if you don't accept Jehovah."
- Alice ... WATCHTOWER is the worst organization to represent Jehovah God. Don't twist realistic reasoning, otherwise you are really existing in your wonderland.
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Don't leave, its God's organization....
by dissed inrecently, i've been seeing this argument displayed here more frequently by those still believing jw's.. usually in reply to arguments they can not answer well, like 1914, generation(s), etc.... its almost like, they are are having serious doubts as well, but their fall back is, "but its god organization....where else would you go......don't leave, we are so close to the end".
as one recently shared their experience with a jc.
the elders, when feeling trapped on explanations, fell back to this defense.
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ruruj
"You don't have to understand those complicated things, just stay with us"
- isn't this the same kind of reasoning from other religions that Watchtower cunningly attacks. - "It's a mystery ... let it be, leave it alone"
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Don't leave, its God's organization....
by dissed inrecently, i've been seeing this argument displayed here more frequently by those still believing jw's.. usually in reply to arguments they can not answer well, like 1914, generation(s), etc.... its almost like, they are are having serious doubts as well, but their fall back is, "but its god organization....where else would you go......don't leave, we are so close to the end".
as one recently shared their experience with a jc.
the elders, when feeling trapped on explanations, fell back to this defense.
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Illustration:
If the house is on fire, leave for your safety. Don't wait for the (Watchtower) fireman to put out the flames while you're inside. (Because Watchtower doesn't believe there's really a fire).
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What to make of this admission?
by NiceDream inmy husband told me that he realizes the wt uses human reasoning, has made lots of mistakes, covers things up, and has published some pretty crazy and wrong ideas...yet he still believes it because "it is the most right" to him.. is this common for jws?
i'm not understanding.
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Is this common for JWs? - Yes, especially those mentally hooked by Watchtower.
This admission is a symptom of bleeding the false god - Watchtower.
My suggestions / advice (you are not pressured to follow, freely choose any or none):
You may suggest to him to look around, and investigate if the "voice of the stranger" (outside Watchtower) has truth. Part of Watchtower's mind-control tactics is to control vital information.
Let him "test out his faith" outside Watchtower in the real world. Let him examine some websites such as http://www.freeminds.org
Let him secretly question Watchtower control. Of course, unless he is absolute ready to change and leave, he may openly question others, then probably face either expulsion through disfellowshipping or voluntary dissassociation.
Others remain inside as secret dissidents for a cause. If he likes to really test-out his faith and reasoning from scriptures then he may check-out http://www.carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses and secretly/anonymously join the discussion forum for Jehovah's Witnesses. There are vigilante JWs there trying to witness to the mainstream Christians. As long as he is anonymous there he can openly express his thoughs and reasoning without fear from Watchtower. I look-out for such in this forum. The topics I would mostly post is anti-Watchtower. Most are currently anti-JW in this forum.
Caveat: the risks are the same when discovered by policing forces : "repent or face expulsion through disfellowshipping". When one leaves Watchtower control, they have to be mentally ready (because of the mental hook) to be designated as Apostate by Watchtower.
All leaving Watchtower control need support group help.
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Two ladies knocked on my door
by dgp inwell, it just happened.
two polite elderly ladies knocked on my door to share the good news of the kingdom with me.. i was pondering whether i should speak against the organization, but immediately knew it just would not work.
i thought i should say a polite but firm no.
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"Well, it just happened. Two polite elderly ladies knocked on my door to share the good news of the Kingdom with me."
You could have brought-up the Watchtower controversy that you are aware of and still be polite.
This is not a person attack against them but their Master organization - Watchtower.
This is how you make the Watchtower false god bleed.
JW Slaves will start questioning their Watchtower Master.
It is best NOT to donate at all, since Watchtower Master teach their JW Slaves - NEVER donate to other religious organizations.
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Please help me publish my book on the JW organisation.
by TheEndIsNigh inmy book, the end is nigh...again (but this time we really mean it) is now finished and available to read.
its a tongue in cheek, real life saga about the life of a second generation jehovahs witness that pokes fun at the organisation that to this day continues to completely screw up the lives of many decent people.
i have uploaded the entire manuscript to a site called slush pile reader.
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Please help me publish my book on the JW organisation.
by TheEndIsNigh inmy book, the end is nigh...again (but this time we really mean it) is now finished and available to read.
its a tongue in cheek, real life saga about the life of a second generation jehovahs witness that pokes fun at the organisation that to this day continues to completely screw up the lives of many decent people.
i have uploaded the entire manuscript to a site called slush pile reader.
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For No Apologies
Paranoid much? --- Sure, I am. For a rebel with a cause, I'm not the only one.
We need to gather the weapons of truth and righteousness to defeat the Watchtower master-slaver and free the captive JWs.
Do you need another blast from the "Ark of Truth"?
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Internet security ...how hard is it to be found the author of a site???
by Aussie Oz inwe are all aware of the quotes website getting shut down and i am just one of many that are very indignant of the wt corp for this.. obviously the website domain.cometc recorded the owner of the site and led to the lawsuit.. are things like word express and e blogger better for remaining anonamous?.
i figure that the only trackback is the email addy used?.
would a cproporation go hunting thru all the isp numbers etc like on a crime show to find the blogger?.
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"Obviously the website domain.cometc recorded the owner of the site and led to the lawsuit." - May I know this website?
Would a corporation go hunting thru all the isp numbers etc like on a crime show to find the blogger?
- I think Watchtower can subpoena for any e-mail address and/or IP address info available under the guise of legal action due to accusations such as criminal activity or copyright infringements.does that mean too that they could search and find individuals posting on this forum?
- Yes, either with legal action (by force) or with voluntary cooperation of JWN. Would Simon betray us?Hey, I think the number one means by which Watchtower spy could locate some members is by providing links to some posts. These links could detect the member's IP address and hence locate them.
