Posts by the-illuminator81

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God exists? God doesn't? God is a different concept? Convince me!

by punkofnice in

i am in a spiritual void at the moment after a year out of the borg and 50 years in.. i'd like to hear 'brief' evidence for the existance or non existance of god/s without an argument between members here.. i'd like to get fresh view points as mine is now so critical it's telling me to be an agnostic or atheist.

why?

i am in want of evidence, not just words from a copy/paste troll & no links.. i just want to open up to new possibilities but with evidence to support it not just 'faith'..

the-illuminator81

Think of other things you believe in. You believe in the sun rising in the morning. You believe that pressing the submit button here at JWN usually results in generating a new post. You believe that when you turn the key in your car, it will start. You believe that when you jump, you'll fall back down to the ground again.

Why do you believe in those things? Because you're convinced by the evidence that they exist. And most you have even personally experienced.

Now think of things you don't believe in. You don't believe in the easter bunny. You don't believe in monsters living under your bed when you go to sleep at night. You don't believe that somewhere on the far side of the moon there is a secret special disney space world where everything is free.

Why don't you believe in those things? Because there is no evidence for them.

Now think about God. Is there any evidence for the existence of God? There isn't. Therefore, don't believe in God.

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Solving the origins of life

by botchtowersociety in

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so what came first, metabolism or replication?

looks like both....at the same time.. evolving proteins..... first life: the search for the first replicatorlife must have begun with a simple molecule that could reproduce itself and now we think we know how to make one.

4 billion years before present: the surface of a newly formed planet around a medium-sized star is beginning to cool down.

the-illuminator81

Very interesting.

What's also interesting is that nucleobases, the molecules that make up RNA and DNA have been crashing into the earth on meteorites 4.6 billion years ago.

http://www.space.com/12569-meteorites-dna-building-blocks-discovery.html

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WT message about Apostates

by mankkeli in

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because of listening to the devil and not rejecting his lies, the first human pair apostatized.

so, then, should we listen to apostates, read their literature, or examine their web sites on the internet?

if we love god and the truth, we will not do so.

the-illuminator81

I'm definitely mentally diseased, suffering from a severe case of independent critical thinking.

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Has anyone, other than me, tried to get your friends/loved ones to prove 1919?

by garyneal in

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has anyone, other than me, tried to get your friends/loved ones to prove 1919?.

did they really try to prove it to you or did they write you off as hopelessly lost or somewhere in between?

as some of you are aware, i have been trying to get my wife to prove it to me, and if not her, another believing jehovahs witness.

the-illuminator81

There is another tactic JWs use.. "Discuss it with the elders."

Then the elders will employ their own selection of thought-stoppers. Even if you do prove them wrong, they'll just end it with "Wait on Jehovah."

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CO begging for more MS's

by life is to short in

the co is at my husbands hall this week so i tied in to the meeting he was going on and on about how there are 140 elders in the circuit and only 80 something ms's.

of the elders 25 are over 75 years old.

of the ms's it was about 20 are over 75 years old.

the-illuminator81

Lower standards may translate to more scandals, hopefully raising public awareness, leading to even more adverse reactions during door to door work leading to increasing discouragement for the rank and file who also have to deal with the low-standard elder/ms mix.. making them all leave!

One can dream..

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Obey the Governing Body!!!! Did you see what I saw? Are they more aggressive now than before??

by punkofnice in

just out of idle curiosity i typed ''obey the governing body'' into the only cdubrom i could get my paws on, 2009 and found this piece of 'mind cleansing' from wt54 9/1 pg 538. impatience leading to presumption.

13 in recognizing the theocratic organization one must not fail to obey the advice: wait for jehovah, and keep his way.

wait for jehovah: be strong, and let thy heart take courage; yea, wait thou for jehovah.

the-illuminator81

Jesus with a gun

Obey or die!

Free will my ass.

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The Convention Pretty Much Sucked

by Franklin Massey in

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i feel better now.. but just in case you are wondering why i think it sucked, here you go:.

- it was clearly an "insider's only" convention.

why invite the public if you are just going to engage in crazy talk that only jws can decipher?.

the-illuminator81

Is the drama meant to convince the JWs that everything will turn out right in the end? Or to convince the GB who can see all the shit going down in the congregations? "Yes we have thousands and thousands of child molestors, with a 40% chance of them repeating their crimes in a 15-year timespan, but I'm sure Jehovah will work things out for us brother Loesch. Now let's focus on what's important, selling off our brooklyn real estate for a billion dollars."

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Cantleave and Nugget are coming to visit me!

by Pams girl in

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i met the lovely mummatron 2 weeks ago and had a fab day x. tomorrow, cantleave and nugget are travelling down with their kids and stopping off to say hi for a few hours before continuing through wales!.

im making a huge lasagne, and have got the beers and vino in.......so excited!.

will be great putting faces to the name, and im glad that at long last, i seem to be able to step out of my little world and make friends.. have got my smurf hanging outside the door so they know my house............. feels like an early christmas present, happy days!

the-illuminator81

Enjoy yourselves!

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Article-"News analysis: Inside the Brooklyn Bridge Park deal" - The Jehovahs Witnesses have been the immense beneficiaries

by AndersonsInfo in

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http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/34/32/dtg_bridgeparkdealmain_2011_08_12_bk.html.

august 11, 2011 news analysis: inside the brooklyn bridge park dealby kate briqueletthe brooklyn paper its the billion-dollar boondoggle!the jehovahs witnesses are poised to make out like moneylenders in the temple under the just-signed deal that allows the city to fund brooklyn bridge parks annual upkeep with tax revenues from the groups properties, a brooklyn paper analysis reveals.. the deal calls for the watchtower bible and tract societys holdings in brooklyn heights and dumbo to be rezoned for residential use a change that real-estate experts believe will send the value of the societys properties well north of $1 billion.. if they put them on the market now, theyll be sold very quickly, said downtown real-estate broker chris havens.. the deal between mayor bloomberg and state officials will reduce the amount of luxury condos inside brooklyn bridge park by capturing property taxes from the watchtower properties after they are sold.

the money will be diverted from the city general fund to pay for maintaining the world-class park at the foot of two wealthy neighborhoods and that has green advocates seeing red.. tax money is supposed to go into the citys general fund and its being diverted to one park, said geoffrey croft, founder of watchdog group new york city park advocates.

the-illuminator81

I guess we need some eminent domain action..

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CO begging for more MS's

by life is to short in

the co is at my husbands hall this week so i tied in to the meeting he was going on and on about how there are 140 elders in the circuit and only 80 something ms's.

of the elders 25 are over 75 years old.

of the ms's it was about 20 are over 75 years old.

the-illuminator81

I know one congregation that has meetings for all baptized men,just to "encourage" them to reach out to be a servant or elder.

Horrible yes I've been to such a meeting. It was all about doing more in FS, which is today the only qualifier for becoming MS. After the encouraging talk was over, we had to leave, so they could talk to the MS, and then they had to leave so they could finish up with their super secret elder meeting.