Posts by the-illuminator81

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Present some evidence for evolution...

by Spade in

there's no evidence that can't be overturned and exposed as deception in the scientific community.

jehovah's witnesses don't stonewall any new findings.

we have degree regarding adaptation.

the-illuminator81

Nice post, until you start your own ramble.

One of your arguments is that after one of the salamanders evolved far enough so they are no longer able to interbreed, their evolution suddenly stops and that means that it isn't evolution? Can't really wrap my head around that one. Since the salamanders can simply breed with their own local relatives, it isn't destructive at all, they can just lead their normal salamandary lives like they used too. I'm sure they will slowly evolve further over the course of the next millions of years just like they did the previous millions of years. There is absolutely nothing to support your idea that they will not evolve any further.

Then you attack this example of speciation and macro-evolution for not being micro-evolution. That's just dumb. I'm sure when we give you an example of micro-evolution you will attack us again for it not being macro-evolution. Or you will drag abiogenesis into the discussion. Stick to one topic.

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Are we losing members quicker than the WT ??

by wobble in

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reading a thread from just a few months ago, made me realise that a lot of people who used to be regular contributors here no longer do so.. i know that people have always moved on, as the anger and hurt get less, as the wt mind-set totally disappears, we feel the need to come here less and less, but because of the intelligence, insight, wit and wisdom of these people, the board is somewhat impoverished each time one of these moves on.. this is a plea to all who post now, and some who still read but don't post, please do not leave us entirely, the contributions on here are literally life-saving for many.

it is easy to get dangerously suicidal when the whole wt pack of cards falls down for you.. please do not become a stranger to us !.

the-illuminator81

Once you've had the same discussion about a subject 10 times, you tend to lose interest.. If you stay here long enough, I guess you just had them all. You may still lurk for the personal experiences but that's it.

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For non-believers: What evidence would it take for you to believe in 'god'?

by jay88 in

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it all comes down to evidence (but funny how we tend not to accept the evidence that indicates that what be actually believe to be true might be wrong).. this is a statement made by nick in previous thread of his.. >>>>>>>>>>.

if the ot 'god' reappeared today, would that be evidence of 'god'?.

jay, .

the-illuminator81

If God provides Thomas more evidence than me, it would not be righteous for him to allow Thomas to live and at the same time murder me at Armageddon. So I think if God wants me to believe he exists and that he is righteous, he should send Jesus over to me for my own personal revelation just like he did for Thomas.

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For non-believers: What evidence would it take for you to believe in 'god'?

by jay88 in

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it all comes down to evidence (but funny how we tend not to accept the evidence that indicates that what be actually believe to be true might be wrong).. this is a statement made by nick in previous thread of his.. >>>>>>>>>>.

if the ot 'god' reappeared today, would that be evidence of 'god'?.

jay, .

the-illuminator81

Finding JHWH written on every cell nucleus in every living being on earth.

Or having Jesus standing in front of me with holes in his hands and his side, and me putting my finger through the holes.

Either one would do.

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Perusing the free Watchtower i got yesterday

by AuntBee in

i said i had no cash on me, i wasn't lying.. in the article (3-1-11) entitled what is god's kingdom, there is a paragraph about christendom's confusing explanation of what the kingdom of god is.

the last 'confusing' explanation listed says, "the kingdom of god is righteousness and peace and joy from the holy spirit" as quoted from the catholic catechism.

it sounded familiar, and i found it in romans 14:17, "for the kingdom of god is not meat and drink; but righteousness, peace and joy in the holy ghost.

the-illuminator81

Of course it is one of their doctrines that the bible is confusing, why else would they need to print several rainforests worth of books and magazines to explain it?

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A long and unexpected JW encounter

by AuntBee in

hi guys!

i pull up to my daugher's home in phoenix this morning, just got there from tucson for a visit.

and lo and behold, 2 jw are walking up the driveway.

the-illuminator81

AuntBee, you could also ask that lady if the organization was like a 5-year old child playing in the dirt, why did Jesus chose a toddler to represent him on earth in 1919?

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"Has the writing always been this bad?" -- A Channel C Contributor Hits The Nail On The Head

by Room 215 in

this from channel c..... .

"a nice older lady dropped off a couple of magazines the other day.

i hadnt read wt material recently, so decided to have a quick read of the march 1/11 wt, the good news of the kingdom what is it?.

the-illuminator81

If the writer of the article had any common sense, they would stop somewhere in the process of writing it, say to themselves "This is all bullshit", pack up their belongings and leave Bethel. So no, you just can't expect high quality articles to come from the WTS.

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No Part of The World Circuit Assembly Highlights

by DavinciCodeBreaker in

well this past weekend was pretty much as predicted, the demonstrations were probably the worst i have ever seen.

you know the ones i mentioned on a post last week where in the middle the participant has a sudden epiphany!

here is a sampling of just a few.. .

the-illuminator81

Although the so-called epiphanies may seem harmless and even ridiculous, they are actually a dangerous form of mind control, known as thought-stop or crimestop (1984). It is a form of cognitive behavioral therapy, but used for the 'evil' goals of the WTS to exercise absolute control over their subject's behavior.

You train your mind to identify a train of thought or behavior, like enjoying yourself after a week of hard work, and then insert a different thought or behavior instead. If you do it often enough it will become automatic, a form of conditioning.

So even though it may seem harmless and even naive, it's not. It's a dangerous brainwashing technique.

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Anyone With Major Judicial/Service Department Experience?

by A question in

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is there anyone on the board with a large amount of experience with judicial matters or (preferably) with the service department of the society or perhaps even worked on the service department?

if so, i would appreciate the answers to at least some of the following questions:.

does the society ever take the initiative to remove elders, and if so, how do they do it?

the-illuminator81

When an entire body is removed it is because they all knew of the wrongdoing and didn't inform Bethel or the CO about it. I've seen it happen because they rescheduled the tuesday evening meeting for a soccer match. Sometimes the whistleblowers can stay, if there are any. It can take years for the congregation to recover.

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Why was the type/antitype understanding of the Olive Tree thrown out? (May 15, 2011 Watchtower)

by pirata in

in the may 15, 2011, pg.

23 public edition watchtower, in the article 'o the depth of god's wisdom', there is a small footnote that essentially does away with an entire 1983 study article worth of material regarding the meaning of the olive tree, spoken about by the apostle paul:.

(romans 11:17,18 nwt) 17 however, if some of the branches were broken off but you, although being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became a sharer of the olives root of fatness, 18 do not be exulting over the branches.

the-illuminator81

Of course this gem of new light starts with the word "EVIDENTLY".

If I was in the writing department I would feel ashamed to use this word.