Posts by carvin

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Doubt they hide child abuse.....put those doubts to rest today.

by Momma-Tossed-Me in

39. h the accused denies the accusation, the.

investigating elders should try to arrange a meeting.

with him and the accuser together.

carvin

And if the letter in the file is sealed.....nobody knows whats in it..........why woulda new committie have a reason/clue to open the letter and see if it involves child abouse accusations? BS they need to be open about this and if they were it would be good all the way around.

1- no more children put in unnessasary risk.

2- it would tak away all our ammunition on this subject.

3- It would put other pedis. on notice that the WT in no longer a sanctuary

4- it could possably encourage other religions to do the same.

We know it will never happen as their image means more to them than their children.

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Anyone remember the stupidist of talks?

by letsslatejws in

i remember a talk being devoted to use of the correct grammatical pronunciation of words.

in fact any elder or brother for that matter who didnt use the correct pronunciation was viewed as illiterate and dorky so the congregation snubbed them.... i remember the word machinations (of the devil) and the emphasis that it should be pronounced mack in nations.... another one was.

behove was meant to be pronounced 'behoooved'.

carvin

There are so many things said that it's hard to point to the stupidest, but here are a few things I've heard. Mind you these were in the mid 90's and not recent.

1) At a convention, "We have no broken homes in our organization!"

2) Also at aconvention, "Mary the mother of Jesus was an unbeliever"

3) A CO named brother Christ, on a cong. visit, spent almost an hour and a half talking about John 1:1 and was berating the congragation for not fully understanding the predicate noun BS. Heeven at one point said the if we don't get this we have no business calling ourselves JW, as this Biblical understanding is basic, blah, blah, blah

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DMCA Complaint from The WatchTower for links to KS-10 'Shepherding' book

by Simon in

yes, that's right, they really do not like people being able to read that book so they wanted links to it removed (it appears they have also been going after the hosts of the content itself as well).. unfortunately, i had to removed the links (which were dead anyway when i checked) and i'd ask that people don't re-post them (sorry).

i'm sure there are lots of alternative ways for those with the information to get it to those who need it.. here are the discussions on the book:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200524/1/ks10-chapter-one-discussion.

carvin

Since all elders , MS, CO, DO, etc are apointed by Holy Spirit then the Holy Spirit should have known what was in the heart of all those leaders leaking the book to the public. So we must conclude that Jah wanted the book leaked out.

I heard it said that to control the future you must control the past. In the past the WT was pritty good at controling their past, but not anymore. They cant even seem to control their present.

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"Birthdays rob the glory of God"

by sabastious in

humans are unique.

each one is unique in his/her own regard.

like your thumbprint, your life is unlike any life in existence.. .

carvin

Nowhere does the Bible say the Jesus or any other person refused to celebrate birthdays. And the absence of the Bible say that Jesus did celebrate a birthday is not reason to ban them, and DF people who do celebrate them. The Bible also never said Jesus went to the bathroom, never told a joke, never wore pants, etc. By that "reasoning" should not all those thing as well as others be concidered a DF offence?

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Bill O'Reilly vs. Bill Maher On Religion

by leavingwt in

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bill o'reilly vs. bill maher on religion - 09/30/10 .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zref_lpir_k.

carvin

A lot of folks seem to be really down on O'Reily for not being "fair". But honestly if you go on any talk show and don't 100% agree with the hosts position you will be slammed as hard as possable. This goes for all the talk/news shows, not just the ones with conservitive hosts. It's the nature of the beast, and why we rarely make any progress in the US, neither side wants to listen.

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I was wrongfully Disfellow shipped out...help

by pes0210 in

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in 04 i was brought before a comitee of 3 elders and admited to sex before marriage, given my situation at the time i fell short, i showed repentance for it and they said they were going to recomend i leave for awhile to find myself spiritually...(wow the only time they got one right) i did find myself spiritually through other means.

now i have a question since i no longer want to be a part of this organization and i was cast out from it, shouldnt my records with my personal information be destroyed?

if its in a file that i do not want to exist?

carvin

baltar447 makes a good point however I have to ask, are they following the example of Jesus? By keeping the files are they in essence not forgiving?

Just a thought

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"The Watch Tower is a Wicked Organization ...

by snowbird in

... and has placed its members under a curse from god.

" galatians 1:8. the author of this site makes that claim repeatedly.

http://www.truthandgrace.com/watchtower.htm.

carvin

Great find Sylvia, thank you for sharing.

Debator - Please I beg of you, open your eyes. If you love to WT org. that is fine, and if you want to defend it that is your right and possably your duty, and I don't fault you for that in any way. Nor should anyone else. However, if you truly believe the WT then you must surely believe that it is your duty to convert others so they can maybe have a chance to work their ass off and possably earn Jehovahs favor. If you really want to achieve that then make your arguements most of all honest and truthful. To say that the WT never claims to be inspired so therefore can not be false profits is a pathetic statement at the very least. If they are not inspired then why is it incumbent upon all witness to believe everything that is stated in the WT, change when it changes and never have the oppertunity to question the teachings. I know you will say that any witness can question anything blah, blah, blah. But we all know that is not true. I someone places themselves in a position of religious/spiritual authority above others and states that an event will happen that is a prophicy. Don't try and give a stupid responce to say that the WT is exempt in some way as it would only waste your time and ours.

If you have any real and rational things to say please share as I am always open to learn new things and I am still searching for understanding.

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"Concerning that day and hour nobody knows......"

by drewcoul in

in the nwt we read at matt 24:36: "concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the son, but only the father.".

if witnesses are correct that the day could be calculated by ezekiel's prophecy, based on the destruction of jerusalem and the rebuilding of the temple, then they are, in effect saying that, although jesus was aware of the historical account of the destruction of jerusalem, and was alive with the father in heaven when the prophecy was made, and was alive with the father in heaven when jerusalem was destroyed......get this.......he didn't know there was going to be an antetypical (or antitypical i can't remember how to spell it or what it really means) fulfillment 2000 years in the future!!!!

but....then here comes jf rutherford to the rescue.

carvin

Wobble asks a great question - how come he could not interpret scripture like Russell and Rutherford etc ?

All I can figure is that the Holy Spirit (helper) did not come until after Jesus died, so Jesus did not have the Holy Spirit? Or maybe its because Jesus was neither an adultor nor a drunkard

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Bill O'Reilly vs. Bill Maher On Religion

by leavingwt in

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bill o'reilly vs. bill maher on religion - 09/30/10 .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zref_lpir_k.

carvin

The biggest turnoff for me on both sides is that they both say "I'm right, I have all the knowledge and so if you don't take my side you are an ass. I used to be a christian, very sure of my beliefs. But I always had an open mind, and I try and keep it that way. I know there are "truths" in all faiths, and I accept them when I see them. Even those on the Athiest and Agnostic sides. I guess what I mean is I don'thave the answers, nobody does. For years whenever my JW wife or father starts in on their JW are the true religion rants I just tell them that -Nobody has a monopoly on God. Man do they hate that.

As for the two Bills - they are both very arrogant and pompus. I like O'Reily for the most part as I see him argue his point well and he often plays the devils advocate which is why his show is so popular. Mr. Maher is a really funny, and he always has that twinkle in his eye that says "somethings coming. But I don't like the "angry comic" rutine from him or any other comic.

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Are they really closing down branches in Martinique, Guadeloupe and French Guyana ?

by aligot ripounsous in

i just got this information on the phone, from a local jw family member : the society is definitely downsizing its worldwide institutional network and they intend to disband their bethels in the three french overseas departements of martinique, guadeloupe an french guyana.

i've not heard about the fourth departement la reunion in the indian ocean but i gather that they might go the same way there.. i wonder , what about the decent amount of money i donated to them in order to build one of those bethels , is it bound to be siphoned off to brooklyn ?

objection, that was not included in the deal.

carvin

With the problems they are having with the French government (and with other European governments) this does not suprize me at all. I would not be suprized if they close all but one or two world wide.