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Thanks for your reply, my dad survived and is still with us today but he is not in great healt so I'm sure I will have more wonderful encounters. Your questions are awesome.
carvin
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Watchtower Attorney and new contract for deceased?
by Dogpatch ini'm passing on a question and wanted input on it please:.
recently an xjws mother passed away, when it came to settling the estate.
a watchtower attorney produced a form that she had filled out and.
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Why did/do you go door to door?
by carvin ini thought about this for years even when i was in and still believed.
i always wondered why very, very few if any jw ever said we get to go in service, it was always we have to go in service.
if you do it only because you have to and not because you want to, does that not nullify the whole giving to the lord theme?.
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I thought about this for years even when i was in and still believed. I always wondered why very, very few if any JW ever said we get to go in service, it was always we have to go in service. If you do it only because you have to and not because you want to, does that not nullify the whole giving to the lord theme?
When they would still knock on my door I would ask them, Why are you here? They would start their presentation, and I would stop them and repeat Why are you here? After a few times they would finally say, What do you mean? I would reply ,Why are you knocking on my door? I would emphasize the YOU until they got it. Eventually they would say because we have to. I asked why, and they went to Matt. To which i went to paul saying some are prophits, some care for poor, some are preachers etc. And would ask are they any of those, do theyknow any one who were those things. To which no was the answer. So I would then ask why do they neglect the larger amount of duties as set fort in the bible. Never got an answer other that they were so booked up that they had to go.
So why do you go?
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Okay, Someone "Enlighten" Me, Please...
by AGuest inand may you all have peace!.
i would like to understand, please, if someone cal help me:.
if, when you come out of "her," the most glaring and obvious of things that with you is anger, hatred, intolerance, irritability, deceit, loose conduct (and i mean the really loose, not just the typical) and things like these... such that when you communicate with others, including but not necessarily those still in "her"... these things a manifest... are you proving "her" right... that life is "better" on the inside, at least as far as "they" can "see" it?.
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carvin
A Guest, I can see where you are comming from and it is a fair question with thoughtful analysis. What you are witnissing(sorry for that term) is just human nature. Do not many people act the same way when they feel betrayed in any relationship? You marrage mate or long time partner betrays you, your job keeps promissing you a position and then give it to someone else, your country tells you one thing then does another and in the process injures/kills many people. You feel betrayed, and then all those "symptoms" you mentioned show. With the WT we were all betrayed and continue to be so, and we see our family and friends, as well as many new victoms being betrayed as well so we still show our emotions. While we were in the WT I'm sure most of us if not all of us have felt or know people who have felt angry, sad, resentful, all the thing you described, the only difference is that when we were in we had to hide these feeling/emotions. We had to hide them so as not to be attacked by those loving, caring sheppards who put us in that position in the first place. now that we are out we can let it out.
It's like when you first start "studying" you are learning thing new to you and they even tell you you will want to tell everyone you know. They give a scripture about a spring bubbling fourth everything you are being taught. Well that is where we are at, although at different stages, we are wanting to tell everyone we know about the real WT, as well as all the harm they cause.
Thanks
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How Far Should We Allow Religious Rights to Go?
by sammielee24 injust curious.
i know there has been a lot of debate regarding the mosque in ny, but this incident is in another state.
should she be forced to pay or not?
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A Guest I totall agree with your breakdown of the article, I noticed most of those points myself as I was reading it. However in sticking with the threads question this is not a religious matter at all. it is a legal one, and religion should not even be mentioned. Yes hindus are nor permitted to kill needlessly, actually most religions have thatidea they just differ in how the interpit needless, but they were not forced to kill tree, the city did that.
Yes Christians have killed and distroyed in the name of their beliefs, as do/did most other religions. That does not make it right, plus most of that occoured centurise ago. The world is changing and conquest is not as popular as it once was, so trying to do so should be harder to do, we will see.
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Comment made on Freeminds.org: The sad consequence of the flawed "two witness" rule.
by AndersonsInfo inthere are over 120 comments in response to my "discoveries of barbara anderson" article found on freeminds.org, but this particular one posted yesterday really got to me.
any watch tower apologists who might post a response here better choose their words carefully because anybody that tries to defend this insane "two witness" policy has to be insane too.
read on.... sad consequence.
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carvin
Yet if this person was cought smoking, or said happybirthday to someone his talk would not have been given in the hall
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Watchtower Attorney and new contract for deceased?
by Dogpatch ini'm passing on a question and wanted input on it please:.
recently an xjws mother passed away, when it came to settling the estate.
a watchtower attorney produced a form that she had filled out and.
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carvin
They are so big on claiming thet follow the bible, does the bible not say that we are to leave an inheritance to our children? My dad has told me many times that when he dies that his house and belongings are mine and my sisters, however he is married so I know that she will get it all if she out lives him, which is only right. About five years ago my dad was having major health problems and was in the hospital and one of his fellow elders aproached me out of the blue (while at the hospital) and makes the comment that I don't need to be there as the estate is going to the WT and not me.
I wonder, how would he know this, if it is true?
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Funny Field Service Experiences
by I quit! ini just remember this one.
one time i was going door to door in a retirement community.
i'm not sure but i think ite was sponsored by the lutheran church.
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carvin
Not sure if this is funny, but it was cool at the time. I was just starting to aux Piosneer, I was working with this elderette who was very sweet lady in her late 20's. She had a regular study and would take me with her every Tues for about 3 months. Every time we had the study the girl she would only be weareing her underware. (the study not the elderette) We would sit on her couch and the study would sit on the floor it front of us Indian style. She was really cute and had a nice butt-(sorry ladies not meaning to offend)
After about 3 months the elderette told my she was sorry to put me through that and didn't think to take a female with her instead. I said it didn't bother me, to which she was suprized to hear. It turns out that she took her elder husband to have the study and he told the study to put some clothes on, so the girl kicked them out of the house. The elder and his wife said to me that her being in her undies was Satan trying to tempt me, to which I replied, maybe it was just a girl who worked at a club late Monday nights(which she did) and we woke her up at 730 Tuesday mourning.
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One Reason Why I Speak About Racism
by snowbird inhttp://www.eric.ed.gov/ericwebportal/search/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ericextsearch_searchvalue_0=ed018874&ericextsearch_searchtype_0=no&accno=ed018874.
if anyone cares or dares to read this, this is how it was when i was 13 years of age.. the gap in funding for black and white kids' education is still stunning to me 46 years later, but it's there in black and white.. it's a testament to our determination and fortitude that we acquired an education at all.. this, in the richest country on the planet!.
for your edification and, hopefully, understanding.. syl.
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(((((Sylvia)))))
Love you lady
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Should Immigrants Be Made To Learn English If They're Living In The USA?
by minimus inwhaddya think?
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carvin
Yes. I have always believed that all education, legal, and business documents should be in English. The problem arrises due to the fact that the USA does not have an "offical" language. It has been proposed many times but politicians are affraid to push it forward because they might loose a vote. I see that for the most part legal immigrents do learn English, not all but most. It is the illeagal ones that by and large that don't.
That being said, I also believe that everyone should keep and celebrate their heritage and culture, and be proud of it. My wife is from Peru, I have always encouraged my boys to learn about, and be proud of that side of their heritage, as well as learn Spanish. If we would get an official language, some people would be upset at first but it would soon start to help eliminate a lot of racial distrust.
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One Reason Why I Speak About Racism
by snowbird inhttp://www.eric.ed.gov/ericwebportal/search/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ericextsearch_searchvalue_0=ed018874&ericextsearch_searchtype_0=no&accno=ed018874.
if anyone cares or dares to read this, this is how it was when i was 13 years of age.. the gap in funding for black and white kids' education is still stunning to me 46 years later, but it's there in black and white.. it's a testament to our determination and fortitude that we acquired an education at all.. this, in the richest country on the planet!.
for your edification and, hopefully, understanding.. syl.
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carvin
I am always reluctant to comment in discussions on racism as it is awlays emotionally charged. However, I must say that in reading this thread I find it sad that so many on here are very one sided, judgemental and ready to attact anyone we disagree with, I guess the WT taught us all well.
Sylvia - I'm not going to say I understand where you are coming from on this because I can't, as I am not of color. I'm so honkey I'm like Casper the ghost. I don't know what it's like to be treated as many people of color have been, and continue to be treated, because of my skin color. What I will say is I think that all baseless hate is stupid, and skin color is baseless hate. The sad thing I see here is that we have to talk about it at all, I know we do because it does exist. It has existed in the past, it still exists, and will continue to exist for a long time, and that's what really sucks.
If more of us, on both sides of the issue would set asside our eagerness to pounce on the slightest thing someone says that we don't agree with and just listen, maybe progress would be made. Mrs. Jones, Sylvia and others seem to be trying to do that time and time again, even though they get pounced on by some. I won't be altruistic and say I agree with every thing they say but I can't fault them for what they say. I have not lived their life, nor will I ever. Our children learn form us and the world we put them in, so we are in a sad state.
Mr Flipper said it great - I agree- racism should be spoken against in our society. It's an abomination and stain on ALL cultures. The freedoms and basic human rights guaranteed to all that all races should be treated equally and with dignity and respect. Keep on speaking for freedom Sylvia ! Good for you.