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  WT Loyalist on Apostate sites!!!!!! My Vent

  by 3dogs1husband in

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  alas i need to vent!!!!

  how can the posters who claim to be 100% loyal to the watchtower take themselves serious i mean you are on an apostate site!

  that is not allowed, you have reasoned that it is okay for you to do this, therefore you are not 100% following the slave.

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  carvin

  I agree with Black Sheep in that those who do venture onto this and other site often make themselves and the WT look stupid, if not even hateful. I also feel that this is the main reason the WT "forbids" coming here, they are afraid of what a witness will put out on the internet, more than they are afraid of what they might read.

  There may be some who are here to find answers for themselves, but as many of us know when we find out that our whole belief system is wrong we want to defend it at all costs. So I say let them come
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  Watchtower is voice of Jehovah

  by lostsheep82 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i don't know how to copy and paste properly on here but i stopped research almost a year ago.

  started reading a few things in magazines again cause my mom is harping on me about the new jan 2011 watchtower stating that jw's are only true religion.

  then i found this quote in sept 15, 2010 wt page 13 para 8.

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  carvin

  ls82 I'm sure most of us here can relate to what you are going through, I know I do. The fact that they get you so upset is part of their "plan". They indoctaronate their followers so fully that when you point out something so plain to see and they don't see it, it does two things. First it makes their followers feel that they are special and can see the "real truth" while we can't. Second, it frustrates us and they then try and use that frustration to convince us thet they are right and we need to change. Case in point when they have a doctrinal change you can ask if they made a mistake or did god? This argument can be short or go on for hours and will end up with the excuse that the WT is printed by men and men are imperfect so you can't blame god. But at the same time they are dirrected by god so you can't blame them. And in their mind that is normal.
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  Planning a Disney World Trip

  by garyneal in

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  i'm trying to find the best rates and times to go.

  i was considering finding a larger group or even organizing a larger group.

  if so, any pointers you'd like to share?.

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  carvin

  February is a good time as in November, between Thanksgiving and Christmass as far as smaller crowds. One thing to be aware of though is that there is no real "slow time" for Disney. Disney is a bit pricy but when you stop and think about all that is included is is really not a bad price to pay. And they do have differing plans that do help a bit.

  I wish I could be of more help but I do hope you make it as you and the family will love it.
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  Todays Daily Text

  by purplesofa in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i don't know why i particularly got this daily text today, i don't usually get them.. but, i could not help but share the comment that went with it.

  heres the text:.

  wednesday, november 3 those who [marry] will have tribulation in their flesh.1 cor.

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  carvin

  Well, maybe all JW will heed this advice and stop having children. That would be a good thing for the children, so they won't have to suffer like many others did.

  MrsJones - I know the feeling my elder dad (neither of us were born in he converted and then so did I) still tries to blame others for my not being a JW anymore. He would sometime say things like "You just don't want to be told what to do.", or other similar comments. I told him that I was just using the wisdom that he and my mother taught me to think for myself and to objectivly look at all sides of an issue and make the right dession. Ever since then my leaving was somebody elses fault. I think they insist on that so they can say they did everything right.

  Wouldn't it be nice to be a fly on the wall on judgement day and here all the lame excuses they give for treating family so hatefuly?
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  JW's are not nice people

  by Nickolas in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i cut and pasted the subject line from a comment made by one of this board's longtime members.

  it got me wondering if this is the prevalent thinking in here.

  for a very long time i believed that jw's and all fundamentalist christian folk are a cut above the norm.

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  carvin

  For the most part I believe that they are nice people. Not anymore so than people from other faiths/non-faiths. Honestly most people want thebest for their family, a better life for their kids. Most don't wish harm on their neighbors.ost get upset when we hear about disasters abd tragidies etc. Most people are glad when we here good news, ie when the Chiliean miners were rescued.

  I know there are people who do wish bad things on others, but I believe them to be in the minority, at least I hope they are. Some people are born hateful but most hateful people are taught to be that way. I believe, just my thought, that one reason so many JW, and folks for other high control religion, suffer from depression and mental illness in higher(per capita) numbers is that they are conflicted by their natural desire to love their fellow human and their indoctronation to hate their fellow human beings.
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  Do YOU Stereotype People?

  by minimus in

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  if you ever do, do you think it's wrong?.

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  carvin

  Yes I do , and yes I believe it is wrong. I try not to but I find myself doing it often. I feel guilt/regret afterward but I still find myself doing it. I am truly sorry but it is one on my many flaws. I am trying to correct it but as of yet not with much success.
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  Doubt they hide child abuse.....put those doubts to rest today.

  by Momma-Tossed-Me in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  39. h the accused denies the accusation, the.

  investigating elders should try to arrange a meeting.

  with him and the accuser together.

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  And if the letter in the file is sealed.....nobody knows whats in it..........why woulda new committie have a reason/clue to open the letter and see if it involves child abouse accusations? BS they need to be open about this and if they were it would be good all the way around.

  1- no more children put in unnessasary risk.

  2- it would tak away all our ammunition on this subject.

  3- It would put other pedis. on notice that the WT in no longer a sanctuary

  4- it could possably encourage other religions to do the same.

  We know it will never happen as their image means more to them than their children.
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  Anyone remember the stupidist of talks?

  by letsslatejws in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i remember a talk being devoted to use of the correct grammatical pronunciation of words.

  in fact any elder or brother for that matter who didnt use the correct pronunciation was viewed as illiterate and dorky so the congregation snubbed them.... i remember the word machinations (of the devil) and the emphasis that it should be pronounced mack in nations.... another one was.

  behove was meant to be pronounced 'behoooved'.

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  carvin

  There are so many things said that it's hard to point to the stupidest, but here are a few things I've heard. Mind you these were in the mid 90's and not recent.

  1) At a convention, "We have no broken homes in our organization!"

  2) Also at aconvention, "Mary the mother of Jesus was an unbeliever"

  3) A CO named brother Christ, on a cong. visit, spent almost an hour and a half talking about John 1:1 and was berating the congragation for not fully understanding the predicate noun BS. Heeven at one point said the if we don't get this we have no business calling ourselves JW, as this Biblical understanding is basic, blah, blah, blah
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  DMCA Complaint from The WatchTower for links to KS-10 'Shepherding' book

  by Simon in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  yes, that's right, they really do not like people being able to read that book so they wanted links to it removed (it appears they have also been going after the hosts of the content itself as well).. unfortunately, i had to removed the links (which were dead anyway when i checked) and i'd ask that people don't re-post them (sorry).

  i'm sure there are lots of alternative ways for those with the information to get it to those who need it.. here are the discussions on the book:.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200524/1/ks10-chapter-one-discussion.

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  carvin

  Since all elders , MS, CO, DO, etc are apointed by Holy Spirit then the Holy Spirit should have known what was in the heart of all those leaders leaking the book to the public. So we must conclude that Jah wanted the book leaked out.

  I heard it said that to control the future you must control the past. In the past the WT was pritty good at controling their past, but not anymore. They cant even seem to control their present.
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  "Birthdays rob the glory of God"

  by sabastious in

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  2. beliefs

  humans are unique.

  each one is unique in his/her own regard.

  like your thumbprint, your life is unlike any life in existence.. .

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  carvin

  Nowhere does the Bible say the Jesus or any other person refused to celebrate birthdays. And the absence of the Bible say that Jesus did celebrate a birthday is not reason to ban them, and DF people who do celebrate them. The Bible also never said Jesus went to the bathroom, never told a joke, never wore pants, etc. By that "reasoning" should not all those thing as well as others be concidered a DF offence?