Posts by VampireDCLXV

I think that when people think of Christian music they think of the old time gospel church songs. What I like are the modern , almost like rock songs at times. And they deal with modern day things that we all go through daily.

Honestly, It's not my intention to troll here. Just my sincere opinion.

Yes I've heard these "modern" x'tian songs here and there, on the radio, on TV, on the internet, on the street, etc. When I was still hobnobbing with the borg, I didn't like it because it was "apostate". The years in between when I wasn't in the troof and now, I still can't stand it. It's just a gut reaction. The problem for me is that it's "religious".

I've been part of one religion for too many years of my life to be able to tolerate the thought of being part of another. I'm done. And I'll say it again, it isn't that I don't believe in God, I just don't know what to believe about him anymore. I don't even know where to start when it comes to building a new realtionship with him. There's so many different holy books out there. Which one is the right one? I can't decide and I doubt I ever will. I'm starting to think God never authored any books, period. Really, does God talk to people? For me it's like what Pontius Pilate said to Jesus: "What is truth?"

Carry on,

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Christian Music

by crapola in

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friends

do any of you good people listen to christian music?

i listen to k love and am very up built by the music.

one of my favorite songs is" lead me" by sanctus real.

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@LockedChaos,

LOL! I couldn't agree more!

Sorry. ROFL

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Genuine Friends

by ssn587 in

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friends

what is the wtbts concept of a genuine frined?

i haven't ever found any in the jdubs, maybe some of you have.

but was wondering what others think about the concept of a genuine frined in the jehovah witness organization?

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I actually do have one friend left in the borg but I think I'll have to leave him behind eventually. He's about as loyal and understanding as a friend can be. He's heard me out about the apathy and lovelessness in my cong and didn't stick up for any of the snobs I couldn't stand. He didn't stick up his nose at me when I told him about not attending meetings because there makes me even more depressed. He's been an outsider like me and he's seen a lot of apathy too. I'd say he's my friend despite the borg, not because of them.

He moved out of town a few years ago and I'm surprised that I've kept contact - I'm usually rather poor at keeping contact with friends after they move away. He recently married a newly minted borg, a nice lady, I find her likeable. Of course this means that I hardly talk to him or see him anymore. We are drifting apart. He has his own new life now, as do I. I haven't told him that I'm not coming back to the borg, not yet. Maybe I needn't bother.

All that said, when you leave the borg you can't hold onto any friends on the inside, no matter how much they mean to you. When you sign up to be one of the borg, that's the deal, that's just the way it is. When you leave, it's time to find new friends, ones that will love you and your dog.

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CO picked the wrong "old lady" to say this to!

by clarity in

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friends

is this the latest bs to pacify the multiple thousands of singles who are made veritable eunochs because of this organization?

...when i tearfully blurted out that i just couldn't carry on any longer!

i mean almost three decades, for g*ds sake!

VampireDCLXV

I sympathise with that, clarity. I've had many frustations with aloneness myself. (is aloneness really a word?) I really resented it when an older sister in my mom's cong told me to 'just stay single and pioneer, marriage is not worth it'. Just pioneer? Is this the borg's answer to everything? I'm sure being 'older' and alone definitely affected my personal popularity.

I've never had a real relationship with the fairer sex, simply the same old friendship crap. I guess my social awkwardness really gets in the way. There's a saying about unmarried men: If a man isn't married by the time he's 35, he's either gay or damaged goods. I've gone past that expiry date and it really wears on me. One thing that I keep thinking about, though; that as bad as being alone is, being in a bad relationship is even worse. Keeping that in mind is about the only thing that prevents me from going completely insane over this. Well, now that I'm out I suppose there's a lot more opportunity now, but having grown up among the borg sure has it's challenges. I've got a lot of crap to clean out of my closet, so to speak.

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Christian Music

by crapola in

jw
friends

do any of you good people listen to christian music?

i listen to k love and am very up built by the music.

one of my favorite songs is" lead me" by sanctus real.

VampireDCLXV

Naw! It all makes me nauseous. Such sanctimonious hypocrisy. I never listened to JW kingdom songs in my free time either. That's just me, though.

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What's the biggest lie/rumor that has ever been told about YOU?

by VampireDCLXV in

most of us here know what a hypocritical, backstabbing bunch of gossips many of the jw's tend to be.

far too often, a jw wont tell you to your face what's eating them, but they'll sure tell others.

when i started waking up (the second time around) this made me very paranoid.

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Again RosePetal you make some great points! JW's do purport themselves to be the most kindly, caring, moral and respectable of all religions but their actions tell a different story. What utter hypocrisy. Truly the pot calling the kettle black. They are no better than anyone else. As is stated in Matt 7:20 "by their fruits you will recognize those men." What a nasty bumpercrop of emotional poison it all is. I saw their fruits for what they were and I could bear it no more.

I also agree with Quillsky, jamiebowers and others that, yes, I did dodge a bullet. What sticks in my craw, though, wasn't that they thought I was at a bar, it was that they thought I was LYING about it. (I corrected my first post above to reflect that. Sorry all.) My sisters warned me that her whole family is hyper-sensitive like that. My sisters were formerly best friends with the girl's older sister, who I used to know as well. What's worse is that her grandma manipulated her and fed on her fears. To what end I can only speculate.

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What's the biggest lie/rumor that has ever been told about YOU?

by VampireDCLXV in

most of us here know what a hypocritical, backstabbing bunch of gossips many of the jw's tend to be.

far too often, a jw wont tell you to your face what's eating them, but they'll sure tell others.

when i started waking up (the second time around) this made me very paranoid.

VampireDCLXV

RosePetal,

Ouch! Sorry to hear that. Of course a person can only talk about what they feel comfortable with. As I've said before, I personally don't have any tears left to cry.

I agree, though, that the borganization is a nest for all sorts of nasty rumor and innuendo because it's so vertically integrated. It's way too much like Orwell's "1984" where people are virtually encouraged to rat each other out. It's utterly systemic. That's why I couldn't trust the elders with my deepest "secrets". You just don't know what they'll pull on you. Trusting the average R&F publisher is kind of a crap shoot too.

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What's the biggest lie/rumor that has ever been told about YOU?

by VampireDCLXV in

most of us here know what a hypocritical, backstabbing bunch of gossips many of the jw's tend to be.

far too often, a jw wont tell you to your face what's eating them, but they'll sure tell others.

when i started waking up (the second time around) this made me very paranoid.

VampireDCLXV

Most of us here know what a hypocritical, backstabbing bunch of gossips many of the JW's tend to be. Far too often, a JW wont tell you to your face what's eating them, but they'll sure tell others. When I started waking up (the second time around) this made me very paranoid. Here is an example of what happened to me. I'll admit that it's probably kinda lame, but I'm posting it here 'cuz, um, you know...

It was a couple of summers ago when I was hanging with a certain young lady I liked as well as her friends. I was at her new place, helping her and her grandma finish up the move-in. After the work was done, we talked, we bantered, we had refreshments, etc. Before long we decided we would go see a movie, but they were invited to dinner somewhere else that evening. We made the arrangement that I would head off on my own dinner thing, that we would re-convene at her house later and she'd call up her girlfriends too. Then when we were all gathered we'd all go. It seemed kinda like a first date. I made one little boo boo though. I thought I heard her say that she would call me after such-and-such a time and then I could head over there myself. I went home to eat and then I headed downtown where I stumbled upon a performing arts festival that happened to be there. It was kinda loud there with all the music and dancing and drums etc. I was checking it out and almost lost track of time waiting for her to call. Eventually she did call and was wondering why I wasn't there yet and what was all the noise. - Huh? I thought I was supposed to wait for the call. Nevermind. - I raced right over, and there she and the girls were waiting. I apologized profusely and afterward I drove us all to the theater and we did the movie thing. During and after she seemed sort of upset, cold and distant. Was it only because I made her wait? I didn't want to force the issue. I dropped her and the girls off afterward.

As time went on, I wanted to make things happen, right? A day after one visit I made to her place, she sends me an email about her only wanting to be friends and stuff about how it wouldn't work out between us. No real explanation. - OMG! That hurt! - I wanted answers but none were forthcoming. Things fell apart for me after that. Later on her grandma told my mom some of the girl's reasons for not wanting to date me. She said I was controlling, bad tempered and so-on and so-forth. WTF? We weren't really dating at all! I didn't get that chance! OMFG. She's nuts. That really threw me for a loop. (Me and my folks had a huge fight over it too.) This is a little bend in the river though.

Now, here's the kicker: A couple weeks later an older sister asks my mom if I had been at a bar. WTF? The sister explains that the girl's grandma told her about the movie night thing, about how the girl sat there waiting and upset because I didn't come at the arranged time, about how she called me up and heard all the noise in the background and thought I was partying it up at a bar and lying about it! I was at an outdoor festival, not a bar! I told them so! When my mom told me about that I just about hit the roof. It all came together then. She and grandma thought I was a potentially controlling, unreliable, abusive, lying, alcoholic party animal and therefore not good husband material.

Post mortem thoughts:

1. Even IF I was at a bar, whose business was it anyway? I've been to friendly neighborhood pubs with fellow JW's before. 2. Not all drinking establishments are "bad". The GB and the elders they control are full of shit. 3. Folks don't usually got to watering holes to do "bad" things with bad people. I repeat: the GB and the elders they control are full of shit. 4. The report of me being at a bar was an outright lie! Assumptions people make are a bitch sometimes.

This is totally stupid, right? It makes me wonder what other shit people were talking behind my back. They most likely still are.

So, what's your story? The juicier the better!

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and the story continues...

by Soldier77 in

...last night i had a conversation with mom about being inactive.

i knew it was coming since i haven't seen them for a little while and they came to visit for a few weeks.

well, last night was the meeting... and of course, her husband goes, she doesn't (due to abuse in her childhood involving sra within the kh in another country), and asked if i was going.

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Soldier77,

It seems to me that you're handling things very well so far. "Discretion is the better part of valour." The only other thing I might add is that when it comes to dealing with your diferences with the family, it doesn't have to be an "all or nothing" proposition. If things get a little heated, back off a bit, visit them less often. No need to cut off contact altogether unless it's a truly emotionally toxic situation. It's for you to decide, though. Keep hanging in there and stick to your guns.

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