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  The Ideas Thread - all are welcome!

  by cedars in

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  sorry it's been a while since i posted anything.

  i've kind of had my hands full of late.

  there are some things i want to say, but i am saving some of it for a more appropriate time.. i thought i would start a simple "ideas thread" as a thread on which we can, well, share our ideas!

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  ABibleStudent

  cedars- Hi punkofnice - I can see where you're coming from. A letter-writing campaign is a good idea, but it might be difficult to get off the ground from a logistical point of view. Postage stamps aren't as cheap as they used to be! Or did you have another idea for distribution?

  soft+gentle - an elder was threatened and attacked in the ministry this week in London. He was doing first call with an MS. The man who came to the door shouted abuse, pushed the elder, tore off his hat and threw it to the ground and snatched all his literature and threw that to the ground too.

  @cedars - Who mails letters anymore with the wide-spread use of email? Emails are easier to write, don't cost any money to send, can be sent anonymously with a little effort, and can be sent to individuals within a single household without arousing suspicions of JWs.

  @soft+gentile Thanks for sharing information about an attack on JWs. It is so important not incite individuals to abuse any JW. I feel it is better to portray JWs in general as individuals who are victums of the Watchtower, which can be classified as a dangerous cult by Steve Hassan's BITE control model. When I wrote letters to the editors of several Australian newspapers in http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/217999/3/Victoria-Australia-Results-of-November-8th-Steven-Unthanks-Court-Hearing, I tried to portray the Watchtower as a dangerous cult and to provide valuable resources on the internet for readers about cults and the Watchtower.

  After reading posts from other posters, I thought that exJWs should send letters to local newspaper editors to inform communities of the Watchtower's "Do not call list", an example of how a "Do not call list" door sign should look for the Watchtower, and to include internet links to www.jwfacts.com, www.watchtowerdocuments.com, www.freedomofmind.com so that readers can do some additional research. Also, exJWs should talk to their neighbors about the "Do not call list" when JWs actively go D2D in a neighborhood. When developing flyers, I believe that it would be better that flyers be thought provoking, target emotional hot buttoms of people, simple, written in font sizes greater than 14 Arial, and promenantly display reputable websites such as www.jwfacts.com, www.wikipedia.com, and www.watchtowerdocuments.com. To me it is more effective to reference reputable websites for readers, who are interested, to research additional information and to not alienate individuals, who don't care about the Watchtower and JWs.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  The Ideas Thread - all are welcome!

  by cedars in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  sorry it's been a while since i posted anything.

  i've kind of had my hands full of late.

  there are some things i want to say, but i am saving some of it for a more appropriate time.. i thought i would start a simple "ideas thread" as a thread on which we can, well, share our ideas!

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  ABibleStudent

  Hi cedars, I have thought about and posted my ideas before about ways to influence JWs, exJWs, and the WTBTS. After reading Steve Hassan's books and other posters on JWN and JWSF, I feel that any ideas must minimize the impression of specifically persecuting JWs to help keep their shields down. I do feel that it is ok to call the WTBTS a dangerous cult instead of a religion and to expose the WTBTS and its cult practices. Here are my ideas:

  1. Sending anonymous emails with a simply message to JW family members and friends like I wrote about in http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/211893/1/Youe28099ve-Got-Mail-TM. The goal of the emails are to peak the curiosity of the JWs, bible students, exJWs to visit reputable websties to learn more about the WTBTS and about support forums like JWN from the security of their personal computer.
  2. Writing emails/letters to politicans asking for changes to tax laws and government charitable programs to prevent dangerous cults like the Unification Church and the WTBTS from benefiting from government programs. The goal is to reduce funding for the WTBTS. Money is the life blood of corporations, which the WTBTS is.
  3. Writing emails/letters to news organizations to educate them about the differences between bonifide religions and dangerous cults like the Unification Church and the WTBTS. I once saw a news clip that painted a positive image of the WTBTS. It made me sick that the reporter was advertising for the WTBTS' assembly/convention instead of producing a balanced report of the WTBTS.
  4. Sending loving emails/cards with lots of pictures to JW family members and friends, who are shunning you, telling them how much fun you are having.
  5. Exchanging simple questions that can be stated in 5 secs to ask JWs to plant seeds of doubts. I like the following simple questions. Ask JWs, "How do you feel? You look so tired?" when you meet them in public. When a JW asks you to return to the "Truth", tell them you are to busy having fun and ask them, "Why are you still a JW?" When greeting JWs at your door, asking them, "Who do you follow? Who is your mediator with God?", listening to their answer that it is Jesus Christ, and then saying "Are you sure? Aren't you suppose to blindly follow the GB?"
  6. When living in neighborhoods that are frequented by JWs in FS, exchange ideas with neighbors about ways to stop JWs from knocking on neighbors doors.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  I just "witnessed" officially for the first time!!!

  by NoRegrets in

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  2. experiences

  i mean door to door (sort of), not informally to non-witness friends and family!.

  so for a few weeks, i have suspected that my neighbor across the hall was being studied with by witnesses.

  i wasn't sure but saw a couple of older women leaving with what looked like bibles, but never saw watchtower literature.

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  Congratulations NoRegrets!! I hope and pray you are successful in saving your neighbor's life from slaving for the WTBTS. Now, if there was someway to help her stop smoking?

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  My mom and dad told me that I'm an apostate and that they want to 'limit their association' with me!!!

  by Joliette in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a series of events led up to an arugment with my parents last night.

  my mom and dad told me that they found my videos that i was doing on youtube, and they told me that i was an apostate.

  they said that they would help me if it was an emergency, but other then that, they didnt want anything to do with me.

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  ABibleStudent

  Hi (((((((((Joliette)))))))))), I'm sorry that your parents believe that they must love the WTBTS more than you. Just because they shun you does not mean that you shouldn't continue to send them emails and notes with lots of pictures of you having fun. Go out and meet some "Worldly" friends who like to do the things that you love to do. Who knows? Maybe your parents will change their minds in a few years when the Apocalypse doesn't come.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  Sparks are gonna fly in my home

  by marriedtoajw in

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  as i've mentioned in a previous post, my wife has been sending mixed signals to me for years on what she does concerning violating jw rules.

  what i didn't mention at the time was that she has also gone through gung ho sprees from time to time.

  she is now insisting on taking the kids to the hall.

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  ABibleStudent

  Hi marriedtoajw, I'm sorry that you are going through this with your wife. Have you read "Combatting Cult Mind Control" by Steve Hassan yet? Reading CCMC and "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves" will empower you to tolerate and communicate with your wife better. You cannot control your wife, but you can control how you respond to your wife. If you have the money, take a mini 3-day vacation with your wife this weekend. You should be able to beat the Thanksgiving Holiday traffic and also help your wife to unwind from the WTBTS propaganda/indoctrination.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  Eurozone crisis- the jw's are crowing about it like mad!

  by highdose in

  1. jw
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  over the past few weeks i've been told that the eurozone will go into melt down and that this will be the start of armargeddon because the goverments will then turn on religon to get their money instead.. i have been told that the greek pm almost rejecting the greek bailout plan would lead to armargeddon.

  of course much to the jw's disapointment the greek pm resigned and the greeks did accept the bail out.

  thus saving the greek banks from collapse and thus the rest of the european banks.. i have been told that italys debt will mean they will plunder the vatican for its wealth!

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  ABibleStudent

  Hi highdose, just ask them if they have enough financial resources for retirement. It is more likely that they will need to retire than that the Apocalypse will come. If they pooh pooh you, then remind them of the 1878, 1914, 1925, and 1975 predictions and that the 100th anniversary of the 1914 prediction will occur in about 2 years.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  Victoria, Australia: Results of November 8th Steven Unthank's Court Hearing

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  re: results of november 8 court hearing.

  yet again, all five cases remain intact and are still in the criminal justice system.

  oh, how the wheels of justice turn ever so slowly.. .

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  ABibleStudent

  Gayle - Thank you for your inspiration! I appreciate you giving us the handy/easy email addresses available. I will also write email letters on Wednesday.

  Hi Gayle, you are welcome, and those are website addresses, not email addresses. Only The Sydney Morning Herald accepts letters to the editor by email at [email protected]. The other newspapers require that you complete an online form. To make it less confussing for people, I just wrote the website addresses instead of combining website addresses with email addresses.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  Is there any way around this? (Preaching when you don't believe)

  by venusinfauxfurs in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i figure i can do more to wake friends and family up on the inside than the outside and i didn't come to that decision without a great deal of pain.

  i know it's not "the truth" but it isn't a bad life for me,and i still very much believe in god.

  the witnesses aren't right but neither are the mormons, the catholics, etc and i have other family devoted to both those faiths.

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  ABibleStudent

  venusinfauxfurs - The witnesses aren't right but neither are the Mormons, the catholics, etc and i have other family devoted to both those faiths.

  Welcome ((((((((((venusinfauxfurs))))))). What information are you using to evaluate those other religions? Is it WTBTS propaganda, or have you actually attended services at other churches? If you do not believe that the WTBTS knows the truth, why would you continue to believe WTBTS propanganda about other religions? I don't believe that the Mormons are Christians and I know that Jews and Muslims are not Christians, but I do believe that Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans, Episcopalians, Anglicans, and Protestants are more Christian than JWs.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  The Reach Out WT Article, I don't know whether to scream or to laugh

  by Quarterback in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i held off long enough in reading the wt article for the study in january.

  there is was, two articles about reaching out for the office of elder.. after finishing the article my reaction to it was anger.

  they made it seem that there is something wrong with you if you don't reach out in this way.. our congregation has more deleted elders than active elders.

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  ABibleStudent

  Hi Quarterback. You bring up a good point that their are deleted elders out their who are not jerks. Do the elders, who are jerks, advance in the WTBTS and elders, who are filled with the Holy Spirit, step-down? The WTBTS' organizational policies and culture would be a classic case-study for an MBA class on what not to do. I wonder how the wTBTS has lasted as long as it has, because of all the deleted elders and lack of recognition of a job well done for JWs.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  A Neighbor

  by EmptyInside in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today,i took my dog out for a walk.

  i waved to my neighbor from across the road.

  she just had a baby a few months ago.

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  ABibleStudent

  Congratulations EmptyInside!! Isn't it wonderful making new friends without worrying about all the WTBTS induced phobias?

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert