Posts by ABibleStudent

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New US Government Petition re: Cults and Tax Exemptions

by mind blown in

this is on the official us government site.. note: someone was under the impression this was unconstitutional and it wouldn't pass, however, steven unthank replyed that tax exempt status (re: usc title 26 501 tax exemptions requirements) is not a constitutional right and can indeed be regulated by the us government through the irs.

freedom of religion does no mean freedom from tax.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/protect-americans-dangerous-cults-modify-usc-title-26--501-tax-exemptions-requirements/zhpbvhfx.

ABibleStudent

@ mind blown, I agree with you. The White House petition to protect Americans from dangerous cults is tilted to protect the rights of an individual more than an organization.

@ JeffT

JeffT - Progressive = a tax system that weights the tax burden toward those that make more
Regressive = a tax system that causes people at the lower end of the income spectrum to pay a higher percentage of their money

Thanks for the definitions JeffT. BTW per your definitions a retail sales tax may be either a progressive or regressive tax depending on how the sales tax law is structured. People who are rich have more to spend as well as luxury items could be taxed at a higher rate. Also, sales taxes on home sales (which already exists in some counties) and on stock sales would affect the rich more than the poor.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Need help

by 1visitor in

jw
friends

ABibleStudent

Hi 1visitor, Welcom to the JWN. Have you visited www.jwfacts.com? The information on jwfacts seems to be factual without being sensational. The administrator of jwfacts is a former JW. The follwoing link is to a phamplet for understanding the fundamentals of being a Jehovah's Witness: www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/pamphlet.php .

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Watch Tower Society v. Jehovahs Witnesses

by sizemik in

an interesting follow-up article by steven unthank .

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.. http://jwnewsnetwork.wordpress.com/2012/04/08/wts-v-jw/.

ABibleStudent

Thanks Sizemilk for posting this thread. Will you be updating this thread after July 29, 2012?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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New US Government Petition re: Cults and Tax Exemptions

by mind blown in

this is on the official us government site.. note: someone was under the impression this was unconstitutional and it wouldn't pass, however, steven unthank replyed that tax exempt status (re: usc title 26 501 tax exemptions requirements) is not a constitutional right and can indeed be regulated by the us government through the irs.

freedom of religion does no mean freedom from tax.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/protect-americans-dangerous-cults-modify-usc-title-26--501-tax-exemptions-requirements/zhpbvhfx.

ABibleStudent

JeffT - A federal sales tax is too regressive even for me.
I'm all in favor of providing people with the opportunity to learn about cults. That is why I'm trying to get the novel published. I'm opposed to using the tax codes to bludgeon people into behaving the way I want them to behave. I don't care who is on which end of the beat down, it is an abuse of federal power, in my opinion.

Hi JeffT, Because you are an accountant, I'm not surprised that you don't like a federal sales tax. I'm curious why you feel that a federal sales tax would be too regressive for you. I do not remember economist or politicians using the word "regressive" when debating about converting from Federal income tax to a sales taxes. I have wished for a Federal sales tax for years for numerous reasons, although I know that changing from an income tax to a sales tax would be tricky to avoid undesirable economic effects.

I'm also curious what would you write about in your novel that would awaken readers to the dangers of dangerous cults that has not already been written about by Raymond Franz, Steve Hassan, Don Cameron, and others?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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my letter to the National Organization for Women

by outsmartthesystem in

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first and foremost....a big thanks to cedars.

i gleaned some of these points from him.

i sent this letter as well as a copy of the article to now.. .

ABibleStudent

Hi outsmartsthesystem, I will contact my aunt. In the mean time I submitted the following email to NOW.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

Dear NOW Representative,

If you feel that tax exempt, non-profit organizations should not promote that women be subservient to men or rationalize spousal abuse, please read the February 2012 Watchtower (study edition), “Happiness is Possible in a Divided Household” on page 29, paragraph 12. NOW members could protest against the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society and feed the persecution complex of Jehovah’s Witnesses, or try something different that might help victims of thought control.

The Watchtower in my opinion is a “dangerous cult” according to the writings of Steve Hassan (www.freedomofmind.com). The Watchtower organization has used thought reform techniques (i.e., mind control) on over 600,000 American women (60% of Jehovah’s Witnesses) and 400,000 American men.

Please read a White House petition that I wrote using either of the following links: www.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/protect-americans-dangerous-cults-modify-usc-title-26-§-501-tax-exemptions-requirements/ZHpbvHfx , wh.gov/Er4 , or www.bit.ly/whitehouse-petition that is intended to stop financially supporting dangerous cults. If you agree with the petition please post it on your website at www.now.org and/or email it to your members for the next 26 days. If 25,000 people (Americans only, probably) sign this petition by May 26, 2012, the White House Staff will review this petition.

The February 2012 Watchtower magazine can be downloaded at www.jw.org/index.html?option=QrYQCsVrGZNT by clicking on the digital publications – magazines link, selecting February 2012 in the drop-down menu, and then selecting the PDF link for the “Watchtower (Study) — February 15, 2012”. For more information about the White House Petition, please write me.

Sincerely,
Robert

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New US Government Petition re: Cults and Tax Exemptions

by mind blown in

this is on the official us government site.. note: someone was under the impression this was unconstitutional and it wouldn't pass, however, steven unthank replyed that tax exempt status (re: usc title 26 501 tax exemptions requirements) is not a constitutional right and can indeed be regulated by the us government through the irs.

freedom of religion does no mean freedom from tax.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/protect-americans-dangerous-cults-modify-usc-title-26--501-tax-exemptions-requirements/zhpbvhfx.

ABibleStudent

ssn587 - I heartily agree with Okage, tax them, tax all churches, why should they get a free ride? Churches use public utilities, roads, etc. tax them all. then it will truly be indiscriminant. another good point is have all churches and nonprofit organizations show what come in and what goes out, and specifically what it goes out for and is used for.

Hi ssn587 and Okage, does that mean you would be willing to write a White House petition to modify the tax codes? If you do write a petition, please post a link on JWN. I would be willing to sign your petition if it is well written. Please do not be deterred by some JWN members not encouraging you about writing a petition.

BTW 36 people have signed the petition as of this morning.

If this petition does not obtain 25,000 signatures, I am thinking about writing another petition about replacing the Federal Income Tax with a Federal retail sales tax. A Federal retail sales tax might not benefit members of dangerous cults, but I would not dread April 15th anymore. Unfortunately, a Federal retail sales tax law might have more opponents than religious organizations. Tax accountants, tax lawyers, real estate agents, non-profit organizations, etc would be against any changes to the Federal Income Tax system that would not benefit them.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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New US Government Petition re: Cults and Tax Exemptions

by mind blown in

this is on the official us government site.. note: someone was under the impression this was unconstitutional and it wouldn't pass, however, steven unthank replyed that tax exempt status (re: usc title 26 501 tax exemptions requirements) is not a constitutional right and can indeed be regulated by the us government through the irs.

freedom of religion does no mean freedom from tax.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/protect-americans-dangerous-cults-modify-usc-title-26--501-tax-exemptions-requirements/zhpbvhfx.

ABibleStudent

JeffT - Because I have better things to do than tilt at wind mills. When the budget is balanced, everyone has a job, our infrastructure is fixed, cancer is cured, war ended etc I might have more energy for this kind of thing. I'm writing a novel, if I get it published that will be my contribution to fighting cults.

Hi JeffT, Best wishes for getting your novel published. What is your novel about? How will your novel contribute more than writing a petition?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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New US Government Petition re: Cults and Tax Exemptions

by mind blown in

this is on the official us government site.. note: someone was under the impression this was unconstitutional and it wouldn't pass, however, steven unthank replyed that tax exempt status (re: usc title 26 501 tax exemptions requirements) is not a constitutional right and can indeed be regulated by the us government through the irs.

freedom of religion does no mean freedom from tax.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/protect-americans-dangerous-cults-modify-usc-title-26--501-tax-exemptions-requirements/zhpbvhfx.

ABibleStudent

JeffT - I'm all in favor of what Hintof Lime said.

Hi JeffT, Why don't you write a White House petition and let everyone know about it. I know that I probably would sign a well written petition.

Hi HintOfLime, Does this IRS webpage have what you want: http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/charitablestats/article/0,,id=97176,00.html or do you want to see the individual Form 990 or tax return for an organization?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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my letter to the National Organization for Women

by outsmartthesystem in

jw
friends

first and foremost....a big thanks to cedars.

i gleaned some of these points from him.

i sent this letter as well as a copy of the article to now.. .

ABibleStudent

Good job outsmartthesystem!! Do you mind if I write my aunt about your letter. Although my aunt has not been closely associated with NOW recently, she was very active in NOW in the 1960's and 1970's in Manhattan.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Are "six-sigma" and "kaizen" cults?

by Silent_Scream in

i have been receiving training in both aspects and an simultaneously reading steve hassans book.

i can't help but continue to make connections, but i need these courses for my career advancement.

online there isn't much about the content of these courses and they are defended by many, i assumed whom have used them.. what do you think?.

ABibleStudent

Hi Silent Scream, Six-Sigma, TQM, Lean, and Lean+ are process improvement techniques/tools. Since no behavioral, information, thought, or emotional (BITE) control techniques are used to coerce or intimidate employees to use those techniques Steve Hassen would not classify them as a dangerous cult. The teaching methods may seem cultish, but there is a big difference between a cult and a dangerous cult.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert