cruising down to the city this afternoon we were behind a group of j-dubs on the train.
part of the conversation centered around the "generation" teaching.
all of them clearly trying to wrap their heads around it.
If a JW says "Where else will we go?", why not ask them 'Don't you mean " “Lord, to whom shall we go?" The Bible directs Christians to follow Jesus Christ (i.e., John 6:68) instead of an organization, so why do JWs follow imperfect men?'
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
its possible i might be asked by the co to work with him today.
hes gonna want to know why i'm holding myself back.
i'm itching to tell him about my doubts (only about the new light, how i cant get my head around how the hs would direct us to believe falsehoods for decades, not about everything, that'd be suicide!
Captain Blithering - I don't know if I can resist telling people. Or at least asking interesting questions.
Hi Captain Blithering, You will probably reach your goals sooner by asking simple, interesting questions than by telling people what to believe. The WTBTS is very good at indoctrinating people to believe that JWs know more than anyone else. Asking simple questions that help JWs to critically think for themselves will help JWs to see TTATT sooner than preaching to them.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
after some reflections i have come to the decision to disfellowship myself from here, permanently.
many interesting argumentations sometimes, thank you adamah for many clever reflections.
criticizing in a bad manner of members and arrogant "i know better than you"-attitudes is a part of it.
Hi Mr Fool, I wish you the best in your search for peace. Compared to JWs in a KH JWN must seem like a nut house to many JWs. I prefer the reality of JWN to the illusion of the WTBTS.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
my mom showed me how ferocious a mind-controlled person may be.. i started talking to her about the septuagint... i don't know at what point the conversation went wrong but she just got angry and said, "well, i trust that jehovah has kept the bible intact... i want to end this conversation"... and i said, "mom, you haven't even let me finish.
"i don't want to continue this conversation!
stop the car".
Hi ILoveTTATT, Have you thought about the saying that people have two ears and one mouth? Instead of telling your mother your opinion, ask your mother about her opinion and then ask more simple questions that help her to critically think for herself. It will not be easy for you, but you may have more success with your mother. Also, back off when your mother's cult persona starts to gain control of her actions. You need to find ways to help your mother's authentic persona to be in control.
Remember that JWs are slow to adapt because they must wait for direction from the WTBTS. You can adapt more quickly and it is a lot easier to listen to uncover what is causing your mother cognitive dissonance than to be the source of her cognitive dissonance.
Best of wishes and I hope that you and jwfacts can team up to create webpages in Spanish on www.jwfacts.com.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
well it's been over a decade since i've been active here.
life got busy, had some ups and downs, but life is good!.
it looks like simon is still in charge of the place, although the look is a bit different from last time i was here.
Welcome Elders_Kid, I'm glad that life overall has been good to you.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
friends,.
who was in any doubt that our jw believe is a marketing model, see this pictures of the still existing hq of jw at columbia heights.. earlier comments on jwn that something is going to change in the organisation, these comments are true.. in a few years we will not talk about the watchtower society, we wil talk about jw.org.
i think the current leadership will make a transfer to a new start.
Interesting change. Instead of just trying to link themselves to Jehovah, the GB is now trying to link themselves to all JWs. Say anything bad about JW.org and JWs may think that someone is attacking them personally instead of the Org.
If more JWs do become connected, it will probably increase the number of JWs learning TTATT. If the WTBTS is transforming itself into a real estate holding company, it is probably in their best interest to lose about 3/4 of all JWs so that they can sell more real estate.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
so it's been seven months since i moved out of my parents place and in with my (now) fiance.
they came to our door this morning and it's been a long time since i spoke to my parents.
i was never disfellowshipped because i was never baptized but there is still online limited contact.
Hi OneStepOut93, If your fiance understood that the WTBTS is a dangerous cult, he might change his mind about the WTBTS and JWs. The following two videos may help your fiance the most, and don't cost a penny. The first video is a good chick flick and goes well with wine, crackers, and cheese.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIDwXYACfmM
Strategic Interactive Approach explained 2003 (1:23:23)
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
its possible i might be asked by the co to work with him today.
hes gonna want to know why i'm holding myself back.
i'm itching to tell him about my doubts (only about the new light, how i cant get my head around how the hs would direct us to believe falsehoods for decades, not about everything, that'd be suicide!
Captain Blithering - Anyone got a Hassan book on pdf?
Hi Captain Blithering, The next best thing to reading Steve Hassan's books is watching Steve Hassan's videos. The following three videos are on Steve Hassan's website www.freedomofmind.com: Strategic Interactive Approach explained 2003 (1:23:23), NY Ethical Culture Society February 2013 (41:09), and NY Ethical Culture Society 2010 (40:56).
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
its possible i might be asked by the co to work with him today.
hes gonna want to know why i'm holding myself back.
i'm itching to tell him about my doubts (only about the new light, how i cant get my head around how the hs would direct us to believe falsehoods for decades, not about everything, that'd be suicide!
Hi Captain Blithering, You already know what is the correct answer for you because you wrote it in your post. Don't bother telling the CO your reasons (doubts) becasue he doesn't care. He wants you to just keep on serving the WTBTS.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
hi friends.
i would like to know your opinion on the following:.
situation:.
Hi Daniel1555, Why do the elders think that you have doubts? If your wife is confiding with the elders about your doubts, you may have to lay down the law about your wife talking with the elers. Because of the serous ramifications to you and your family of being DF'ed/DA'ed, you should tell your wife not to talk to the elders about your doubts/feelings. You are trying to sort things out for yourself and do not need additional hypocracy/pressure from the elders. Have you thought about asking your wife simple questions to reach her authentic persona such as how would she like it if you told the elders that she had doubts that might reflect badly on the rest of the family?
Have you considered delaying meeting with the elders? How would texting them that you are too busy with working, family life, and studying the Bible to meet with them. You will call them when you are ready and please do not talk with your wife without you being present because you are the head of the household and they would be acting unscriptually.
Also, why did you tell your wife about your blood card? Until you read Steve Hassan's books, it is better not to talk to your wife about your doubts. Talk to her instead about vacation plans, doing fun things, working on a budget to increase your disposible income to have fun or invest for your future. Until the WTBTS predicts when the end will come aren't you responsible as head of the household to make sure that your family is spiritually strong (LOL), financially secure, and happy?
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
