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  Overseer's wife accompanied my Elderette, to answer my question, "Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?"

  by Faithful Witness in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as usual, i was unprepared for a "drop-in" visit by a jw.

  they seem to have a knack for coming when you're in the middle of something, or your house is a complete disaster... for me, both things are almost always true.

  it's better if you call me and warn me before you come over.

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  ABibleStudent

  Hi Faithful Witness, JWs (as do other dangerous cult members) use "unhealthy influence" tactics to deflect a conversation. Examples of deflection are asking questions back to make it appear that you have personal issues, switching subjects (especially if they feel that they are unable to prove their position) and quoting unrelated verses to confuse potential recruits. Steve Hassan's video How Big is the Phenomenon of Undue Influence? (2:01) may help you to better understand what I'm talking about.

  Too overcome deflection tactics ask them simple questions in an inquisitive tone of voice, such as "Why did you change subjects?", "How are those verses related?" or "How is _____ related to _______?", "Do you know that by switching subjects so frequently you are bringing reproach on the WTBTS, because householders will start to think you belong to a dangerous cult? (show them Steve Hassan's video to prove your point)"

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  I just got to play householder!

  by Laika in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was a little nervous and a bit dazed, i think i will do better next time.

  he offered me the memorial invite, i told him i had jw family who would invite me and he got interested and wanted to find out more, so i told him i wasn't interested in the jw religion, he asked why and i said i find it too controlling.

  he thought i was talking about moral rules so started on about how jehovah doesn't want to restrict us 'blah blah', so i pointed out that i meant they're not allowed to read certain materials which is wrong if it's as true as they are confident of.. he then went on about how satan uses false teaching to manipulate us and so we have to be careful of what we read.

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  You did well Laika! You cared enough for the JW to help him critically think for himself.

  When JWs try to give me their propaganda, I just ask if I can give them life saving information in return. It is easy to overcome their objections about not being able to accept religious material by saying that I will not be giving them religious material. I then accept their propagand and write either www.jwfacts.com or www.freedomofmind.com on the material and hand it back to them.

  I think that I will now ask them why they cannot accept material about other religions like you did to plant more seeds of doubt in their minds. I might even ask them why they do not follow God's two greatist commandments.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  Might Get to See My Grandchildren Today

  by mrquik in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my oldest daughter is still in the cult.

  i haven't seen my grandchildren in 5 yrs.

  my son-in-law's father died this week & the funeral is today.

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  ABibleStudent

  Live well . . . Enjoy life, mrquik. At least you are free of the WTBTS.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  Overseer's wife accompanied my Elderette, to answer my question, "Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?"

  by Faithful Witness in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as usual, i was unprepared for a "drop-in" visit by a jw.

  they seem to have a knack for coming when you're in the middle of something, or your house is a complete disaster... for me, both things are almost always true.

  it's better if you call me and warn me before you come over.

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  ABibleStudent

  Hi Faithful Witness, For someone who has not prepared much to overcome BITE control (and has low blood sugar) you did good.

  What did you learn from this experience? Did you learn that you must be more prepared? Did you learn that you either must have some excuse to make an appointment when they can come back, or to have something for you to boost your low blood sugar? Did you learn to always ask (in an inquiring tone of voice) where is that in the Bible and to ask more questions that lead the JW to trip over the WTBTS's logic and thought-stopping platitudes? Did you learn to forgive yourself for making mistakes with JWs who you don't know so that you are better prepared to help JW family and friends?

  Remember to be prepared and to control your emotions.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  Need advice for asking a girl out

  by DuvanMuvan in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  well long story short, i've been meaning to ask this girl at school out for a while but i can never do it because her friends are always there in the way and i would prefer to ask her in person.

  we've liked each other for a while (i was oblivious until about a month or two ago) and i'm also i bit worried she'll get tired of waiting.. i was just wondering if anyone had any advice or something that they could give me.

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  ABibleStudent

  Congratulations on overcoming your fear DuvanMuvan! Remember how relieved you felt after asking that girl instead of continuing to worry about whether that girl liked you. Now what other girls do you like? Go ask them out.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  Might Get to See My Grandchildren Today

  by mrquik in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my oldest daughter is still in the cult.

  i haven't seen my grandchildren in 5 yrs.

  my son-in-law's father died this week & the funeral is today.

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  Best of wishes mrquik. If it helps you, think of going to a funeral as a celebration of a person's life and visiting with people who you have not seen in a while, and not an infomercial of the WTBTS.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  Joining a Church and advice from co-workers!!!!!!!!!!

  by Jon Preston in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so im obviously out mentally....i havent da-ed but i cant care less!

  but.....my co workers are encouraging me to find and join a church.

  this person is particularly "wisdomonian" meaning she seems to solve and assist many an ailing indicidual in my field.

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  HI Jon Preston, If your coworker is referring to the Church of Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormon), you would be leaving one dangerous cult for another.

  I would suggest going to several different churchs such as Luthern, Presbyterian, and Episcopalian, or just purchase a study Bible like an NIV Bible with commentary on every page by bible scholars who are listed by name at the begining of the book.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  Update of course

  by Jon Preston in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so my wife is slowly waking up!

  but cognitive dissonance is thick indeed!

  my wife knows the gb are false in many ways but she still holds to the "theyre more right than others!

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  ABibleStudent

  Hi Jon Preston, Have you thought about asking your wife what three things would make her distrust the WTBTS? Then, show her how to do her own research to critically think for herself.

  IMHO www.jwfacts.com would be a great starting point for WTBTS specific topics. Another would be watching one of Steve Hassan's videos on his website www.freedomofmind.com. You could start off gently by showing your wife How Big is the Phenomenon of Undue Influence? (2:01) or show her the video Strategic Interactive Approach explained 2003 (1:23:23) where Steve Hassan says that JWs are a dangerous cult.

  Best of wishes helping your wife to critically think for herself.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  Need advice for asking a girl out

  by DuvanMuvan in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  well long story short, i've been meaning to ask this girl at school out for a while but i can never do it because her friends are always there in the way and i would prefer to ask her in person.

  we've liked each other for a while (i was oblivious until about a month or two ago) and i'm also i bit worried she'll get tired of waiting.. i was just wondering if anyone had any advice or something that they could give me.

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  HI DuvanMuvan, Walk up to her and non-chalantly ask if she will meet you for coffee or lunch today or tomorrow. (The timing is unimportant. Just provide two different times so that she doesn't automatically say that she is busy because she is.) Ask her for a date while you are having coffee or lunch together.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  Mr. Pierce...Mr. Pierce...Mr. Pierce... Mr. Guy Pierce

  by confusedandalone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a few minuites ago talking to my sister who is finally seeing the watchtower for what it is and is scrutinizing it alot brought something to myu attention that troubled my longtime jw mother dearly.

  she said after reading the article about the death of guy pierce she noticed that they never refered to him as brother pirce.

  she said everytime they mentioned his name they refered to him as mr. pierce.. .

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  ABibleStudent

  I apologize in advance to those with loved ones still stuck in the WTBTS. I hope that those left on the GB are less reasonable than Mr. Pierce, so that JWs may awaken quicker. I don't like wishing anything bad on people, but it seems that JWs are more likely to awaken the more the GB demands that JWs work harder and give more.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert