what if you were a member of the gb and you woke up and realized it's all bs.
what would you do?
i would try to change the org from within..
Since most JWs only awaken when they are whipped too much by the WTBTS, I would vote for everything that the WTBTS is currently changing. Hopefully, it would wake-up more JWs. Fewer JWs is better than more JWs.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
i always wondered why jws found it so hard to just walk away once they decided they didn't believe anymore.
surely all they have to do is stop going to the meetings, i thought.
i imagined there must be more to it than i could see but i might never know.
Hi goddidit, Why are you afraid of leaving the WTBTS? Are you afraid that your JW family and friends will shun you? Are you afraid of meeting and making non-JW friends? Are you afraid that the WTBTS will be right about the Big "A" and that you will miss out on living in the WTBTS's Paradise?
What is your plan to overcome your fears? Have you considered the following?
Best of wishes successfully fading from the WTBTS with your JW family.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
wife is reading hassan's book right now.
classic to sit back and watch the veil be lifted.
shes been awake for about a 1.5 years now.
Congratulations lambsbottom!! How were you able to get her to read Hassan's Book? Which one?
I hope that you give her lots of hugs and tissues. She will be going through a grieving process soon for believing all the WTBTS lies that she was taught.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
my wife and i have two wonderful children aged 1 and 3. i was raised as a lutheran but stopped believing in my late teen years.
my wife is what i would call a liberal jw (yes, i believe such people exist .
sooner or later our children will have questions about religion and the differences mom and dad show towards it.
Hi Zana, DITTO what other posters wrote about not raising your children in the WTBTS. Is your wife a born-in or recruited into the WTBTS?
To minimize triggering your wife's cult persona's persecution phobias, encourage your children to ask questions, critically think for themselves, to make non-JW friends, to arrange sleep-overs with non-JW children, who you share similar interests with their parents, and to play in sports.
If you do not know how powerful the WTBTS's BITE control techniques are, please research information by cult-exit counselors like Steve Hassan's books (i.e., "Combatting Cult Mind Control", "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves, and (his latest book) "Freedom of Mind; Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs"), visiting his website www.freedomofmind.com, and watching his FREE videos on his website.
The more knowledgeable you are about the WTBTS: the more likely that you will make more informed decisions about raising your children. Visiting www.jwfacts.com would be a good start to educate yourself about the WTBTS's doctrines, flip-flopping doctrines, and its history. The WTBTS is not a religion as much as it is a printing, print distribution, and real estate holding corporation that victimizes JWs with BITE control techniques. It is not a Christian religion, because its doctrines ignor/spin many of the teachings and examples of Jesus Christ for its self-serving interest.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
i saw two brothers this morning next to the main train station in liverpool city centre this morning.
they were not actively approaching anyone.
what i found strange was that they were from a cong that has different territory, so i don't know why they were there.. anyway i knew them both, and they know i was df'd, i was in my car and couldn't park up for a chat, but i did beep and wave to them as i drove passed and they waved back.
I wish that the WTBTS would set up a cart near me. I would approach the cart and talk with the JWs, espeicially when JWs are talking to a non-JW. I would ask a few simple questions to plant seeds of doubt in them and the non-JW, as well as overcome WTBTS's thought-stopping platitudes.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
even tho i grew up in the org, so much that once seemed normal behavior now seems so bizarre and even cruel.
i have run into at least 3 people from our old cong since the memorial (i didnt attend) anyhow i have noticed how each time they go out of their way to say hello and flash me a big bright smile, only to immediately avert their eyes and end any possible commitment to a conversation.
i dont really care as i dont have anything to say to them anyhow.
Hi Blackbird Fly, Why not ask them, "Why are you bringing reproach on the WTBTS?"
When they deny it or ask why are they bringing reproach on the WTBTS, ask them, "Why are you behaving in an unChristian manner and like a member of a dangerous cult?"
When they say that the WTBTS is not a cult, tell them, "I agree with you that the WTBTS is not a religious cult, but it is a dangerous cult. Visit www.freedomofmind.com to learn what a dangerous cult is. Ask yourself why the WTBTS does not reference any recognized and reputable cult experts like Steve Hassan on www.jw.org?"
When they say that they are behaving like "True Christians", then ask them, "Show where in the Bible did Jesus Christ teach shunning or not associating with people who did not believe as he did. If you are Christians, you should be following the examples and teachings of Jesus Christ, and not what "imperfect men" teach JWs."
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
http://www.americanprofessional.com/clergy/.
elders don't qualify for clergy malpractice insurance, even if they wanted it.
no divinity school degree.. .
Interesting idea metatron. If elders owned a house, I wonder if personal liability insurance would cover them? If elders could not get coverage for clergy insurance nor personal liability insurance would cover them for their elder activities, maybe exJWs should write them emails to warn them about how financially risky this "System" could be for them waiting for the Big "A".
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
so i think the title pretty much says it all.
i have a tendancy to be long winded about things, so i'll just give a general introduction and maybe tell things as i go along.
i don't even really know what i want from this site (ironically i remember jehovahs-witness.net mentioned from the platform as a site not to go to).
Welcome Stumbeline, Thanks for sharing your experience. DITTO what punkofnice wrote about reading Steve Hassan's book(s) and Witness My Fury about visiting www.jwfacts.com.
Since you went to college and are 25-years old, you are very lucky and have the rest of your life to enjoy. Make your plans to live your life to reach your full potential. You should consider the following in your plan:
Best of wishes in enjoying a long and happy life. The WTBTS's Big "A" is not coming soon.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
it is sad to see the terrible abuse that has come out of religious socities and how well they have covered things up...so sad infact that i felt compelled to make an application to this commission this morning asking why the wtbts has mangaged to stay out of the news.
i know this is a controversial subject but my story is just one of many stories.....i was a child raised in this religion, i never felt like a good person and was told that i was crazy by my father and the rest of my family, more times than i can recall.
the fact is, i wasn't crazy.
Hi umbertoecho (juliette), Thanks for sharing your experience.
I'm sorry that your father abused you. Parents are suppose to love, protect, and encourage thier children - not abuse them. If you can afford to see a reputable counselor, it is worth it to help you realize that you did nothing wrong and you are a good person. Your father was a predator and he victimized you.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love
Robert
yes, you read correctly..... all appointed men have been told in a new letter that they have to pioneer to "set the lead" whenever there is a "special" campaign month.
they use some scripture saying that these ones have to show by example.... so for any of us who are appointed and have learned ttatt, it is going to be very hard to fade during this time!.
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How much FS do GB members do? If they do less than elders, aren't they being hypocrites?
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
