Posts by ABibleStudent

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My Experience and how I finally let myself see the truth

by OneEyedJoe in

first off - for those lurkers who feel guilty just for being on this site and reading this (even if you don't read any further, as it is your right to choose that course) i want you to know that you're not alone in what you're going through or in what you are feeling.

if you read on, i hope my experience may be of some small help to you.. this may be long, but i'll try to organize it in a way that doesn't make it painful to read.

to start, i feel it is most beneficial if i'm upfront and honest with my goals from posting this, which are (in order of the degree to which they motivated me):.

ABibleStudent

Welcome OneEyedJoe, Thank you for sharing your story. Please vent on JWN as much as possible, so that you don't say anything to raise JW family and friends' suspicions.

It seems that today a few JWs have joined and written about their experiences. It is sad that the WTBTS's BITE control is so strong that JWs are afraid to express their doubts anonymously to strangers.

What is your plan to fade? Have you considered the following?

Obtaining more education/training to qualify for a better paying career. If your wife asks why, than ask your wife simple questions in the ways that Billy the Ex-Bethelite wrote in exJW Psychology 102--How to Ask a Question When Questions Aren't Allowed. According to the WTBTS, you are the head of the family. You love your wife and are concerned about providing for your family in this "System" while you wait for the Big "A". Ask your wife, "How long has the WTBTS been saying the end is soon?" or "How can you balance your "Spiritual" desires (slaving for the WTBTS) verses providing for your family?"
Independently researching the WTBTS by visiting reputable websites like www.jwfacts.com,www.freedomofmind.com, www.watchtowerdocuments.com, www.jwsurvey.org, www.freeminds2.org, etc. While doing your research, look for keywords that you could suggest that your wife use to search the internet to answer your simple questions.
Reading information by cult-exit counselors like Steve Hassan's books (i.e., "Combatting Cult Mind Control", "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves", and (his latest book) "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones to Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs", visiting his website www.freedomofmind.com, and watching his FREE videos on his website. The following three videos by Steve Hassan might give you some ideas to help your wife to critically think for herself: How Big is the Phenomenon of Undue Influence? (2:01), The BITE Model (Behavior Information Thought Emotion) (5:03) , Strategic Interactive Approach explained 2003(1:23:23).
Asking your wife simple questions to learn more about what will empower her authentic persona to overcome her cult persona. Ask your wife about what she thought, as a child, her life would be like when she grew up, what she dreamt of doing when she grew up, or what fun, non-WTBTS activity she would like to do now. After you learn what activities that your wife would like to do that is fun, make plans to show your wife how much you love her by planning activities that are fun and where she will meet more non-JWs with similar interests. Have you searched the internet for local activities near you, visited www.meetup.com or signed-up on www.travelzoo.com for daily emails suggesting fun activities near you.
Making more non-JWs friends that you and your wife share similar interests so that you can build your support network when your JW friends and family start to shun you.
Hold a Bible Study night with your family. Your objective will be to ask your family what they feel about the scriptures and to ask them questions about what Jesus Christ felt about the Pharisees and Sadducees using BITE control techniques to victimize Jews. If you don't know what BITE control techniques are visitwww.freedomofmind.com. DO NOT try to draw parrellels between the WTBTS and the Pharisees and Sadducees - let your family figure that out by themselves.
Learn how to do the following:

Show and tell your wife and children how much you unconditionally love them.
Talk less and listen more to what JWs say and watch their body language.
Ask them simple questions to learn more about how to empower their authentic persona to overcome their cult persona.
How to turn on and off a JW's cult persona.
Learn what thought-stopping platitudes JWs use and then learn how to overcome those platitudes when you are ready and confident of the outcome.
Encourage your children to make non-JW friends, who you and your wife may share similar interests with their friends parents, encourage your children to make sleep-over dates with non-JWs, encourage your children to ask questions of what adults say so that they can learn to critically think for themselves, encourage your children to use the internet to research school topics, and encourage your children to obtain advanced education/training after high school.

Best of wishes successfully fading from the WTBTS with your wife.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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What if you were a member of the GB and you woke up

by enigma1863 in

what if you were a member of the gb and you woke up and realized it's all bs.

what would you do?

i would try to change the org from within..

ABibleStudent

Since most JWs only awaken when they are whipped too much by the WTBTS, I would vote for everything that the WTBTS is currently changing. Hopefully, it would wake-up more JWs. Fewer JWs is better than more JWs.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Commitment

by goddidit in

i always wondered why jws found it so hard to just walk away once they decided they didn't believe anymore.

surely all they have to do is stop going to the meetings, i thought.

i imagined there must be more to it than i could see but i might never know.

ABibleStudent

Hi goddidit, Why are you afraid of leaving the WTBTS? Are you afraid that your JW family and friends will shun you? Are you afraid of meeting and making non-JW friends? Are you afraid that the WTBTS will be right about the Big "A" and that you will miss out on living in the WTBTS's Paradise?

What is your plan to overcome your fears? Have you considered the following?

Independently researching the WTBTS by visiting reputable websites like www.jwfacts.com,www.freedomofmind.com, www.watchtowerdocuments.com, www.jwsurvey.org, www.freeminds2.org, etc to either confirm your doubts or dismiss them.
Reading information by cult-exit counselors like Steve Hassan's books (i.e., "Combatting Cult Mind Control", "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves", and (his latest book) "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones to Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs", visiting his website www.freedomofmind.com, and watching his FREE videos on his website. The following three videos by Steve Hassan are an inexpensive way to evaluate how Steve Hassan and his methods can help you: How Big is the Phenomenon of Undue Influence? (2:01), The BITE Model (Behavior Information Thought Emotion) (5:03) , Strategic Interactive Approach explained 2003(1:23:23).
After you have confirmed your doubts that the WTBTS is victimizing JWs, Obtain more education/training to qualify for a better paying career. If your JW family and friends asks why, than ask them simple questions in the ways that Billy the Ex-Bethelite wrote in exJW Psychology 102--How to Ask a Question When Questions Aren't Allowed. Tell your JW family and friends that you are concerned about providing for your family in this "System" while you wait for the Big "A" and ask them, "How long has the WTBTS been saying the end is soon?" or "How can you balance your "Spiritual" desires (slaving for the WTBTS) verses providing for your family?"
Asking your JW family questions to learn more about what will empower their authentic personas to overcome their cult personas. Ask them about what they thought, as a child, their life would be like when they grew up, what they dreamt of doing when they grew up, or what fun, non-WTBTS activity they would like to do now. After you learn what activities that they would like to do that is fun, make plans to show them how much you love them by planning activities that are fun and where they will meet more non-JWs with similar interests. Have you searched the internet for local activities near you, visited www.meetup.com or signed-up on www.travelzoo.com for daily emails suggesting fun activities near you.
Making more non-JWs friends that you and your JW family share similar interests so that you can build your support network when your other JW friends and family start to shun you.

Best of wishes successfully fading from the WTBTS with your JW family.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Hassan's book

by lambsbottom in

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wife is reading hassan's book right now.

classic to sit back and watch the veil be lifted.

shes been awake for about a 1.5 years now.

ABibleStudent

Congratulations lambsbottom!! How were you able to get her to read Hassan's Book? Which one?

I hope that you give her lots of hugs and tissues. She will be going through a grieving process soon for believing all the WTBTS lies that she was taught.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Raising kids - JW mother, agnostic father

by Zana in

my wife and i have two wonderful children aged 1 and 3. i was raised as a lutheran but stopped believing in my late teen years.

my wife is what i would call a liberal jw (yes, i believe such people exist .

sooner or later our children will have questions about religion and the differences mom and dad show towards it.

ABibleStudent

Hi Zana, DITTO what other posters wrote about not raising your children in the WTBTS. Is your wife a born-in or recruited into the WTBTS?

To minimize triggering your wife's cult persona's persecution phobias, encourage your children to ask questions, critically think for themselves, to make non-JW friends, to arrange sleep-overs with non-JW children, who you share similar interests with their parents, and to play in sports.

If you do not know how powerful the WTBTS's BITE control techniques are, please research information by cult-exit counselors like Steve Hassan's books (i.e., "Combatting Cult Mind Control", "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves, and (his latest book) "Freedom of Mind; Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs"), visiting his website www.freedomofmind.com, and watching his FREE videos on his website.

The more knowledgeable you are about the WTBTS: the more likely that you will make more informed decisions about raising your children. Visiting www.jwfacts.com would be a good start to educate yourself about the WTBTS's doctrines, flip-flopping doctrines, and its history. The WTBTS is not a religion as much as it is a printing, print distribution, and real estate holding corporation that victimizes JWs with BITE control techniques. It is not a Christian religion, because its doctrines ignor/spin many of the teachings and examples of Jesus Christ for its self-serving interest.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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JW Witnessing Trolleys. To approach or ignore what is your preference and why?

by KateWild in

i saw two brothers this morning next to the main train station in liverpool city centre this morning.

they were not actively approaching anyone.

what i found strange was that they were from a cong that has different territory, so i don't know why they were there.. anyway i knew them both, and they know i was df'd, i was in my car and couldn't park up for a chat, but i did beep and wave to them as i drove passed and they waved back.

ABibleStudent

I wish that the WTBTS would set up a cart near me. I would approach the cart and talk with the JWs, espeicially when JWs are talking to a non-JW. I would ask a few simple questions to plant seeds of doubt in them and the non-JW, as well as overcome WTBTS's thought-stopping platitudes.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Yes, I see you shunning me!

by Blackbird Fly in

even tho i grew up in the org, so much that once seemed normal behavior now seems so bizarre and even cruel.

i have run into at least 3 people from our old cong since the memorial (i didnt attend) anyhow i have noticed how each time they go out of their way to say hello and flash me a big bright smile, only to immediately avert their eyes and end any possible commitment to a conversation.

i dont really care as i dont have anything to say to them anyhow.

ABibleStudent

Hi Blackbird Fly, Why not ask them, "Why are you bringing reproach on the WTBTS?"

When they deny it or ask why are they bringing reproach on the WTBTS, ask them, "Why are you behaving in an unChristian manner and like a member of a dangerous cult?"

When they say that the WTBTS is not a cult, tell them, "I agree with you that the WTBTS is not a religious cult, but it is a dangerous cult. Visit www.freedomofmind.com to learn what a dangerous cult is. Ask yourself why the WTBTS does not reference any recognized and reputable cult experts like Steve Hassan on www.jw.org?"

When they say that they are behaving like "True Christians", then ask them, "Show where in the Bible did Jesus Christ teach shunning or not associating with people who did not believe as he did. If you are Christians, you should be following the examples and teachings of Jesus Christ, and not what "imperfect men" teach JWs."

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Guess What? Elders Can't Get Clergy Insurance !

by metatron in

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http://www.americanprofessional.com/clergy/.

elders don't qualify for clergy malpractice insurance, even if they wanted it.

no divinity school degree.. .

ABibleStudent

Interesting idea metatron. If elders owned a house, I wonder if personal liability insurance would cover them? If elders could not get coverage for clergy insurance nor personal liability insurance would cover them for their elder activities, maybe exJWs should write them emails to warn them about how financially risky this "System" could be for them waiting for the Big "A".

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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DF'ed and Confused...

by Stumbeline in

so i think the title pretty much says it all.

i have a tendancy to be long winded about things, so i'll just give a general introduction and maybe tell things as i go along.

i don't even really know what i want from this site (ironically i remember jehovahs-witness.net mentioned from the platform as a site not to go to).

ABibleStudent

Welcome Stumbeline, Thanks for sharing your experience. DITTO what punkofnice wrote about reading Steve Hassan's book(s) and Witness My Fury about visiting www.jwfacts.com.

Since you went to college and are 25-years old, you are very lucky and have the rest of your life to enjoy. Make your plans to live your life to reach your full potential. You should consider the following in your plan:

Vent on JWN as much as possible so that you do not make your JW family and friends more suspicious about your attitude and hopefully to discover ways to communicate better with your JW family and friends. No matter what you learn in the future, be compassionate and patient with your JW family and friends. Your best course of action is to live a happy, fun, and interesting life.
Independently research the history and flip flopping doctrines of the WTBTS like you would in college on a subject that you knew nothing about to confirm your doubts or dismiss them. Visit reputable websites like www.jwfacts.com, www.watchtowerdocuments.com, www.jwsurvey.org, www.freeminds2.org, etc.
Read information by reputable cult-exit counselors like Steve Hassan's books ("Combatting Cult Mind Control", "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves", and (his latest book) "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs"), visit his website at www.freedomofmind.com, and watch his FREE videos on his website. Ask yourself why the WTBTS does not refer to cult-exit counselors by name when the WTBTS writes that it is not a cult?
Search the internet and local newspapers for fun things to do in your community that you enjoy or would like to do and where you can make new non-JW friends. You need to build a support network of unconditional friends, who will be your friends no matter if you believe differently then them. Have you visited www.meetup.com?
If you can afford it, talk with a counselor (preferably a cult-exit councilor) about your feelings and to help you overcome the WTBTS's BITE control that it uses to victimize JWs.
Start/update your Facebook page as a way to let your family know what is happening in your life.

Best of wishes in enjoying a long and happy life. The WTBTS's Big "A" is not coming soon.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Sexual abuse Royal Commission starts in Perth today.

by umbertoecho in

it is sad to see the terrible abuse that has come out of religious socities and how well they have covered things up...so sad infact that i felt compelled to make an application to this commission this morning asking why the wtbts has mangaged to stay out of the news.

i know this is a controversial subject but my story is just one of many stories.....i was a child raised in this religion, i never felt like a good person and was told that i was crazy by my father and the rest of my family, more times than i can recall.

the fact is, i wasn't crazy.

ABibleStudent

Hi umbertoecho (juliette), Thanks for sharing your experience.

I'm sorry that your father abused you. Parents are suppose to love, protect, and encourage thier children - not abuse them. If you can afford to see a reputable counselor, it is worth it to help you realize that you did nothing wrong and you are a good person. Your father was a predator and he victimized you.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love

Robert