Posts by ABibleStudent

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Quotes in the Creation book... My article so far...

by ILoveTTATT in

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hi,.

please review my article (so far) on the quotes in the creation book.... thanks!.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/trsrdw4ojs9fec7/quotes%20in%20the%20book%20-%20formal%20article.pdf.

ABibleStudent

Apognophos - Here's a riddle: why would propagandists inform their victims about propaganda?

Is it to frame the answer in such a way as to create plausible cognitive dissonnance (The Art of Lying to Yourself ) in the mind of a reader (i.e., JW) and to minimize the possibility that the reader will do their own independent research and critically think for themselves?

The WTBTS use the same principles to refute that they are a cult like, "Are Jehovah’s Witnesses a Cult? Compare two common perceptions regarding cults with the facts about Jehovah’s Witnesses.":

Some think of a cult as being a new or unorthodox religion.Jehovah’s Witnesses have not invented a new religion. On the contrary, we pattern our worship after that of the first-century Christians, whose example and teachings were recorded in the Bible. (2 Timothy 3:16, 17) We believe that the Holy Scriptures should be the authority on what is orthodox in matters of worship.
Some think of a cult as being a dangerous religious sect with a human leader. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not look to any human as their leader. Rather, we adhere to the standard that Jesus set for his followers when he stated: “Your Leader is one, the Christ.”—⁠Matthew 23:10.

Did you notice that the WTBTS writers wrote that "Some think of" instead of citing any specific reference or widely recognized and reputable authority? Most JWs and recruits would probably be satisfied by those answers. When did the WTBTS become experts at helping people leave dangerous cults?

Why didn't the WTBTS just cite information by cult-exit therapists like Steve Hassan? Answer: The WTBTS is a dangerous cult that uses BITE control very well.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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New forum russian exJW

by Melchisedek in

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http://jwforum.name/forum.

ABibleStudent

Hi Melchisedek, Would Russian JWs benefit from reading articles on www.jwfacts.com in Russian? If they would, would you start a thread on the Russian forum asking if any exJWs would like to volunteer to translate jwfacts articles into Russian?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Church of Scientology Phone Call

by OnTheWayOut in

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so my sister is in a nursing home with dibilitating disease.

i forwarded her mail to my home when she went in.

otwo: you don't need to know anything about me.

ABibleStudent

I liked how your slowly approached being in a dangerous cult to both the caller and your wife.

BITE Controlled minds think alike.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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What is the Watchtower's(R) Objective with the APATHY TROLLEY(CART)?

by punkofnice in

i wefer to my pwevious fred http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/280829/2/i-saw-a-trolley-cart-to-you-cousins-in-the-u-s-a.

if the wbt$ is losing money and drones then why so much apathy surrounding the trolley/cart?.

why are they not being more pro-active with this 'urgent, never to be repeated work(tm)?'.

ABibleStudent

The WTBTS is a dangerous cult. It keeps JWs busy thinking that they are better than everyone else, and therefore reinforces the WTBTS's BITE control. I still cannot figure out the money making angle for the WTBTS, unless it is to advertise the JW.ORG brand. I sometimes wonder when the WTBTS will allow advertizing on their website or have an online JW.ORG gift store where JWs can buy JW.ORG junk.

Considering that posters have described that JWs behave apathetically while manning the trolleys, I don't see a positive outcome for the WTBTS, unless they want to lose more JWs. I wish that there were trolleys were I live, so that I could ask them a few simple questions or a poster with jwfacts.com.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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How do you embed videos into your posts?

by Wild_Thing in

i have tried copying the embed link from youtube and inserting in as html code in my messages.

it appears to be there in the preview box, but when i hit submit, it disappears!

what am i doing wrong?.

ABibleStudent

Did you delete the http:// . See examples below with and without the http:// . The youtube video is not embedded without the http:// .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cyxh_1Zyk4

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cyxh_1Zyk4

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Involved with a JW woman

by jonza in

okay so i'm dating a born-in jw woman, she's younger than me and has no kids.

i'm a christian man whos divorced with 2 kids.

we're in love and seriously want to be together.

ABibleStudent

Hi jonza, Untill she reads one of Steve Hassan's (preferrably) or Raymond Franz's books, I would not get your hopes up. I wish I knew how you could purchase one of those books in her native language.

When you read the Bible with her, ask her how she interprets the Bible. I wouldn't recommend mentioning the WTBTS when reading the Bible.

Best of wishes to you both.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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watchtowers army assault on our vulnerable elderly in nursing homes

by friendaroonie in

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its been a long time since i have been this enraged at the evilness and shameless exploitation by the jws.

i just got back from the meeting (dont ask) and sat through the km article laying out plans to mass convert nursing homes all over the world.

i am not going to labor the obvious ethical travesty of this plan but i will say that it constitutes a major public health risk.

ABibleStudent

Hi friendaroonie, Why would the WTBTS want to recruit nursing home residents without assets to bequeath to the WTBTS? Follow the money.

If there is a way to prioritize your efforts, I would concentrate on upscale nursing homes where residents are not soley dependent on some form of medicare payments to pay for their care.

Best of wishes in your efforts. I do care about your efforts, but I am more focused on writing to politicians to change IRS rules for non-profit organizations to establish societal expectations to qualify as a non-profit organization, including religions.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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This is how I feel sometimes... who do you identify with? The doctor? or the UN investigator (Brad Pitt)?

by ILoveTTATT in

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ABibleStudent

Hi ILoveTTATT, How are your parents treating you? Do you have hope that they (i.e., your mom) will not shun you?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Why is shunning NOT a violation of Nat'l and Int'l law?

by Zoos in

i was looking at the universal declaration of human rights posted at un.org and also the description of what constitutes a violation of religious freedom at uslegal.com .. .

according to the declaration of human rights:.

article 18.. everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

ABibleStudent

Guiding principles and laws of governance are for governments to comply with and are not applied to organizations such as religions by governments.

I would be very happy if governments would established basic rules that non-profit and charitable organizations must follow to receive government support and tax exemptions, and tax deductions for donors. I would like non-profit and charitable organizations be required to promote non-discrimation, which would prohibit using shunning/marking/not associating; reporting violent felony crimes to local law enforcement; and provide a service that benefits individuals/society and which the government does not provide.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Trolleys everywhere in my neck of the woods

by KateWild in

i went to an appointment today and what do you know a trolley.. i couldn't stop and chat, but i have another appoinment thursday, i will go early and have a chat.

i love this it's great fun chatting to jws whilst being df'd.. any ideas for my presentation?.

do you think i am harming myself?.

ABibleStudent

KateWild - Abiblestudent - Good question, I might use it, but I think they might be offended. What do you think?

Hi KateWild, Yes, they may be offended, but you would also be giving them an opportunity to attempt to prove that the WTBTS is not like the Pharisees and Sadducees if you use an inquisitive tone of voice and smile.

It is a segue question to talk about charateristics of dangerous cults without calling the WTBTS a dangerous cult. If a JW cannot differentiate between how the Pharisees and Sadducess behaved and how the WTBTS behave using characteristics in MT 23 (in context with Steve Hassan's BITE control definitions) and how those characteristics are contrary to MT 22:34-40, then you could ask s/he, "Why do you follow the teachings of the WTBTS instead of Jesus Christ's teachings and example? Aren't you a Christian? Have you visited the website www.freedomofmind.com to learn more about BITE cntrol methods, undue influence, and unhealthy influence by some organizations?" Seeds of doubt planted and hopefully no argumentative debates occurred, because you only asked simple questions and the JWs did most of the talking.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Roberrt