Posts by ABibleStudent

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How to wake up and reverse the trance???

by J-DUBBED in

how do you wake up someone taken from us by these screwed up people?.

our son was hooked by a jw at the age of 25. within 3 months they were married and we never even new about it.

he is now 29 and has nothing to do with his family(except his sister the odd time, when he needs something) of any freinds.. we are lost and have been for four years.. .

ABibleStudent

Hi J-DUBBED, Don't send your son any videos, books, or information about dangerous cults until he asks for your help!! I know that it sucks that there is no magic pill to awaken your son, but that is the reality of the situation. Talk with a professional, like Steven Hassan, if you want to improve your chances and reduce your frustrations. It will cost you though.

If you cannot afford professional help, just learn and practice as much as you can about empowering his authentic persona to critically think for himself and what to say to reach his authentic persona and how to turn-off his cult persona. Focus on controlling your emotions and actions to improve your relationship with your son. Your goal is to help your son critically think for himself. The more opportunities that you have to ask him simple questions about how does he feel and listen to his answers: the better.

I hope that you post more threads asking about what to do, and talk with someone about your frustrations so that you do not explode at your son or his wife.

Best of wishes.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

P.S. - If you want to become politically active and possibly help your son, please read the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/49120004/revise-tax-code-protect-children-from-sexual-abuse?size=10&page=1

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Change.org petition - JW

by thedepressedsoul in

not sure if anyone saw this but i just came across a change.org petition that already has a good amount of followers.. just thought i'd share!

not sure if anyone else has seen it.

https://www.change.org/p/launch-an-investigation-to-determine-if-jehovah-s-witnesses-have-a-right-to-use-coercion-forms-of-mental-torture-to-force-its-members-not-to-leave.

ABibleStudent

If you sign this petition, why not also write to Representative Jackie Speier and your Congressional Representatives to revise the U.S. Tax Code as written about in http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/49120004/revise-tax-code-protect-children-from-sexual-abuse?size=10&page=2 . The proposed bill would encourage tax-exempt organizations to pro-actively protect children from sexual abuse and prohibit them from using undue influence, which would include promoting acts of shunning.

Suspending an organization's tax-exempt status for non-compliance means a lot to organizations like the WTBTS.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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How to wake up and reverse the trance???

by J-DUBBED in

how do you wake up someone taken from us by these screwed up people?.

our son was hooked by a jw at the age of 25. within 3 months they were married and we never even new about it.

he is now 29 and has nothing to do with his family(except his sister the odd time, when he needs something) of any freinds.. we are lost and have been for four years.. .

ABibleStudent

Hi J-DUBBED, If you and your wife can control your emotions and actions and change your thinking, you might be able to improve your relationship with your son. If you read Steven Hassan's books, you will learn that cult members have an authentic persona and cult persona. Your daughter-in-law was indoctrinated just like your son. The problem is the WTBTS - not JWs!

The key to helping your son is to empower his authentic persona so that he can start to critically think for himself again. It will be easier to have a relationship with your son by empowering your son's and his wife's authentic persona. You need to socialize with them doing fun activities where they might be able to meet more non-JWs.

Even your daughter-in-law has an authentic persona. Unfortunately, her authentic persona may be controlling, but you will not know until you ask her simple questions and get to know her.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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How to wake up and reverse the trance???

by J-DUBBED in

how do you wake up someone taken from us by these screwed up people?.

our son was hooked by a jw at the age of 25. within 3 months they were married and we never even new about it.

he is now 29 and has nothing to do with his family(except his sister the odd time, when he needs something) of any freinds.. we are lost and have been for four years.. .

ABibleStudent

Hi J-DUBBED, The links work fine for me in Goggle Chrome. You may need to check your browsers security settings. Go to www.freedomofmind.com, click on the media link in the top menu bar, and then click on Video Archive to find the video, which is 5th from the top.

If you are financially secure, you can also talk with Steve Hassan or one of his counselors by calling Phone: 617 396-4638.

If you are on a budget, you will need to do a lot of reading, practicing, asking for help on specific topics on JWN, and asking your son simple questions to help him critically think for himself. It will take time (years), but he may wake-up. The first step is spend as much time not taking about religion, but reconnecting with his authentic persona and asking how he feels.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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How to wake up and reverse the trance???

by J-DUBBED in

how do you wake up someone taken from us by these screwed up people?.

our son was hooked by a jw at the age of 25. within 3 months they were married and we never even new about it.

he is now 29 and has nothing to do with his family(except his sister the odd time, when he needs something) of any freinds.. we are lost and have been for four years.. .

ABibleStudent

Hi J-DUBBED, It sounds like your son's weakness is his daughter. Have you contacted your son's ex-girl friend and told her about cult-exit counselors such as Steve Hassan's methods for helping someone to critically think for themselves as well as not going off on tangents when feeling cognitive dissonance. At least send your grand-daughter's mother the following video by Steven Hassan so that she can help her daughter to critically think for herself: Strategic Interactive Approach explained 2003 (1:23:23) .

Best of wishes helping your family members.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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National Public Radio (NPR) broadcasts today about JWs. Do you want to hear the secrets of what this religion has been keeping under wraps?

by AndersonsInfo in

to all those who frequent this discussion board:.

we just wanted you to know that an investigative public radio program named reveal, produced by cir (center for investigative reporting) and prx, will present today, saturday, february 14th, the results of new investigations uncovering hidden stories.

in this weeks story, there will be three different topics covered.

ABibleStudent

According to the Reveal News story, the WTBTS is the poster-child organization for revising the U.S. Tax Code for non-profit organizations to protect children from sexual abuse. I don't know how a judge would ever be fooled to believe that an individual's 1st Amendment rights also apply to an organization. People can think - organizations cannot! The WTBTS has used undue influence and BITE control techniques to manipulate and victimize JWs for decades.

If you want to help change the Tax Code to protect children from sexual abuse and stop organizations like the WTBTS, please read the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/49120004/revise-tax-code-protect-children-from-sexual-abuse and contact Representative Jackie Speier and your U.S. Congressional Representatives.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Revise Tax Code to Protect Children from Sexual Abuse

by ABibleStudent in

over the last five years, i have read lots of threads complaining about the wtbts, but few threads about becoming involved to help jws to critically think for themselves so that they can decide whether to stay, change the wtbts, or fade.

i'm curious if anyone is willing to write to their political representatives like i did today?.

before someone writes that the bill that i wrote would infringe on rights of either the establishment or free excercise clause of the u.s. constitution, i already checked with a lawyer and she said that the concept sounds promising.

ABibleStudent

If you have not already written to Representative Jackie Speier (or your representative) about revising the tax code to protect children from sexual abuse, please act now! The following email from her office indicates that she might be interested in introducing such a bill (see sentence that I bolded in her email).

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,Robert
The following is a template of a letter that you can send to Representative Jackie Speier at Congresswoman Jackie Speier - Email Jackie:

Honorable Representative Jackie Speier:

I respectfully ask that you introduce a bill to the 114th Congress by the end of March 2015 to revise the Tax Code to require that tax-exempt organizations protect children from sexual abuse instead of protecting and enabling pedophiles.

[Insert your personal experience(s) that justifies passing such a bill.]

[Insert your opinion about why you support this bill.]

If you are interested, please ask Mr. Munoz Atkinson to send a rough-draft copy of a bill (~ 85% finished) with the following provisions to a Congressional staff member or legislative writer:

Insert a new sub-section in 26 U.S. Code § 501 to describe the criteria and process to suspend an organization's tax-exempt status, and would allow the IRS to charge all tax-exempt organizations a nominal annual fee (may be $10 to $50) to fund the effort. Applicable tax-exempt organizations would be required to ensure that applicable adults pass a criminal background check and complete sexual abuse awareness training, to promote to members and employees to report suspected violent felonies to local law enforcement, to prohibit using undue influence on members and employees, and to prohibit promoting bigotry, prejudice, and inciting hatred and civil unrest.
Amend 26 U.S. Code § 6033 to require that all tax-exempt organizations, including religious organizations that are currently exempt, to file annual reports and adds additional requirements about what to include in the annual reports.
Amend 26 U.S. Code § 6104 to require the Treasury to provide free access to applications for tax-exemption and annual reports through the internet. The Treasury would be prohibited from releasing personal contact information (not business contact information) through the internet.
Create Section 520 to allow taxing of funds transferred from/to non-compliant organizations to reduce funding to such organizations.

After reading the bill you will better understand how it will protect children from sexual abuse, prohibit promoting prejudice, bigotry, and hate-speech, and increase transparency and accountability by all tax-exempt organizations.

[Insert closing salutation]

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Rep. Jackie Speier <[email protected]>
To: [Deleted]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 3:13 PM
Subject: Responding to your message

February 12, 2015

Dear Mr. Munoz Atkinson:

Thank you for contacting me to share your proposal for new legislation. I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts on this issue.

Through the legislative process, Congress takes ideas from citizens, community groups, and businesses and translates those ideas into the proposed legislation that become our laws. The sources of inspiration for these legislation proposals are as unlimited as our nation is diverse, and the input of citizens like you, bringing forward your ideas and proposals, is what makes this process work. I am always looking for new ways to help constituents like you in the 14 th district. I have forwarded your idea to my staffer who deals with this issue. I am in the early process of developing my legislative agenda for 2015 and will seriously consider your request.

Again, thank you for taking the time to contact me about this issue. Please know that I appreciate you bringing your idea to my attention, and I will keep it in mind as we continue to look for ways to address the critical issues facing our nation. I am honored to represent you in Congress. If you would like more information on my work in the 14 th congressional district, you can visit my website , like my Facebook page , or follow me on Twitter . Through my website, you can send me opinions, request tours in DC, and get help on issues you might have with federal agencies. I hope you will write me in the future on matters important to you.

Thank you again for taking the time to write to me about this issue. Constituent letters are an important part of my decision making process. If you would like more information on my work in the 14thcongressional district, you can visit my website , like my Facebook page , or follow me onTwitter . Through my website, you can send me opinions, request tours in DC, and get help on issues you might have with federal agencies. Please contact me in the future if I may be of assistance to you.
All the best,

Jackie Speier
Member of Congress

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Will my inactive JW bring our children up as a witness?

by stevepill in

i have been with an in active jw for 6 years, she now wants to marry and have a child, will she want to bring a child up as a witness, she says not but any experiences?

will she start go back once we are married?

(i'm a non jw)

ABibleStudent

Hi stevepill,

As I wrote before, watch "To Verdener (Worlds Apart with English subtitles)" with her and just ask her if that is how many JWs behave. To Verdener is a Danish movie that is like a JW Romeo and Juliet. Drink some wine eat some snacks and enjoy a good movie. Don't ask her questions that she may feel will make her defend the WTBTS's doctrines. Just ask her if the movie represents how many JWs behave.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Will my inactive JW bring our children up as a witness?

by stevepill in

i have been with an in active jw for 6 years, she now wants to marry and have a child, will she want to bring a child up as a witness, she says not but any experiences?

will she start go back once we are married?

(i'm a non jw)

ABibleStudent

William Penwell - I know a lot of people over the years that have been inactive dubs for years but when push comes to shove they still believe in the BS.

DITTO!! It is easier for a JW to leave the WTBTS than it is to remove the indoctrination/phobias from a former JW.

i know a friend, who doesn't believe that the Bible is the Word of God, but that the WTBTS has the most fundamental understanding of it of all religions. Also, he will admit that the WTBTS's doctrines go beyond Scriptural interpretation on blood, birthdays, shunning, etc so would therefore be in conflict with De 4:1-2 and Mt 15:3-9. He is experiencing cognitive dissonance between the great memories he had as a JW and the realities of following the GB.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Within one minute JW with trolley directs me to JW.org

by steve2 in

i live in relatively small seaside community (regional population around 45,000).

in my ten years here, i've had witnesses call on me perhaps twice (not special visits but during door-to-door).

whereas they once canvassed door-to-door much more frequently - and in larger size service groups - there is quite a decline in their door-knocking - at least in this region.. with the advent of the "trolley" work, their visibility has increased - but i'd estimate only marginally.

ABibleStudent

I saw two JW's sitting on folding quad chairs and talking to each other on either side of a book stand in the nice front patio-entrance area to a CA DMV office that faces West. All they needed was a few Mai Tais to simulate being on vacation.

I thought about stopping and saying hi, but decided against it. Part of me was thinking that the WTBTS was trying to recruit illegal immigrants trying to obtain drivers licenses and the other part of me was thinking that the illegal immigrants are too busy trying to make enough money to sent back to families at home to become involved with the WTBTS.

As long as JWs want to waste their time talking to each other instead of recruiting new members, I won't bother them until I see them trying to recruit someone.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert