Posts by ABibleStudent

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I had breakfast with 50+ JWs on Sunday

by zimunzucz in

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friends

we pulled into a hotel parking lot saturday around 6pm on the return leg of a wonderful family vacation to new england - an then fate stepped in---a man in a suit got out of a car with the rest of a picture perfect family.

i immediately noticed all the name tags--- and my blood pressure spiked 50pts- damn!!

i was booked in a 4 story hotel full of jws-- the only time they took off the name tags was in the swimming pool- they were so proud of themselves.. at 6:30 am the hot water went cold in the wife's shower- what do you expect on the 4th floor when a herd of jws is trying to get ready at the same time?

ABibleStudent

Awesome!! Short and piffy statments.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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How Would a JW Respond to . . .

by ABibleStudent in

reading archbishop resigns after archdiocese charged with coverup article?.

archbishop john nienstedt, deputy resign after archdiocese of st. paul and minneapolis charged with sex abuse coverup.

| by nicole winfield.

ABibleStudent

@ cappytan, I was more curious about how JWs would respond to the Catholic Church (i.e., Pope Francis) disciplining priests/bishops for covering up abuse. Would they agree with the change? Would they commend the Church's change in policy verses condemn it for taking so long? Is it all Satanic lies by the press that a change occurred or that priests abused children?

After discussing the Church's policy change, how would JWs view the WTBTS's "Two-Witness Rule" and not bringing reproach on Jehovah's Organization that is more likely to cover-up child sexual abuse than permit secular authorities to investigate it?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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How Would a JW Respond to . . .

by ABibleStudent in

reading archbishop resigns after archdiocese charged with coverup article?.

archbishop john nienstedt, deputy resign after archdiocese of st. paul and minneapolis charged with sex abuse coverup.

| by nicole winfield.

ABibleStudent

reading Archbishop Resigns After Archdiocese Charged With Coverup article?

Archbishop John Nienstedt, Deputy Resign After Archdiocese Of St. Paul and Minneapolis Charged With Sex Abuse Coverup
| By NICOLE WINFIELD
VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis has started making good on his promise to not let even the most senior churchmen get away with sex abuse or cover-up.
On Monday, he accepted the resignation of the embattled archbishop of St. Paul and Minneapolis and his deputy bishop after prosecutors there charged the archdiocese with having failed to protect children from unspeakable harm from a pedophile priest who was later convicted of molesting two boys. . . .

Considering how the WTBTS treats child abuse victims, who is the "Whore of Babylon" now?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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.org gameplan

by Lemonp in

i have been thinking about this after all the recent money grabbing done by the org.

i believe that now it is in a strong position financially, and it may even get better!.

firstly the congregation bank accounts being emptied out must have supplied millions upon millions of dollars.

ABibleStudent

I read a lot of complaining threads about the WTBTS on JWN. The WTBTS does this or that that victimizes JWs.

Why don't JWN members write to the IRS using form 13909 or to their politicians? Complaining on JWN is a waste of time. If 10,000+ people wrote to the IRS or politicians, change might occur (at a glacially slow pace).

If you have first hand knowledge about WTBTS fraudulently converting loans to donations, rebuilding homes after natural disasters for the insurance money, selling donated materials for KH builds, or other dubious schemes, then check the box(es) on form 13909 for:

Directors/officers/persons are using income/assets for personal gain
Organization engaged in deceptive or improper fundraising practices
Other (describe):

The IRS form can be submitted anonymously and non-Americans can submit the form to the IRS.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Which Steve Hassan book?

by Tornintwo in

jw
friends

can anyone recommend which steve hassan book to read, i see there are 3.. my mind is all over the place during this process of finally acknowledging and researching my doubts, ive been recommended his books on here, but which one is best?.

ABibleStudent

Tornintwo - Can anyone recommend which Steve Hassan book to read, I see there are 3.

Hi Tornintwo, Depending on what is your objective, I would recommend the following:

"Combatting Cult Mind Control" (1st edition spell with 2 "tt" in combating) - Does not label the WTBTS as a cult nor JWs as cult members, so might be helpful to help JW's to critically think for themselves. Also, very good to help people to understand the power of BITE control so that they are more empathetic towards JWs and to forgive themselves.
"Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves" - Provides more information about how to overcome BITE control indoctrination.
"Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults, and Beliefs" - fills in gaps and provides more information about helping people critically think for themselves.
"Combating Cult Mind Control" - Provides more information about how dangerous cults use social media and more examples of helping people to critically think for themselves. Downside for helping JWs is that it does label the WTBTS as a dangerous cult or JWs as members of a dangerous cult.

I would also recommend visiting Steven Hassan's website to read summaries of his books at https://freedomofmind.com//Info/books.php or view his videos that he presents information about helping individuals at https://freedomofmind.com//Media/videos.php .

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Getting married when you are spiritually out

by 1tMakesNoSence in

i met this amazing girl about 6years ago at my local congregation.

i was 100% in back then.

about 3years ago i woke up spiritually and kept it undercover till a few months ago.. this girl is still very in (but she doesnt really do the things a reaaal jw should do.

ABibleStudent

Welcome 1tMakesNoSence. If you GF will not watch Strategic Interactive Approach explained 2003 (1:23:23) or read books by Steven Hassan, then move on. I know my advice sucks!

Why put your emotional and financial future in jeopardy? if your GF will not choose to critically think for herself and will blindly follow the WTBTS instead of unconditionally loving you, that is what you will be doing.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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The Guardian: 1,400 investigated in child sex abuse inquiry, including politicians

by AndersonsInfo in

1,400 investigated in child sex abuse inquiry, including politicians .

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/20/1400-suspects-operation-hydrant-politician-and-celebrity-child-sex-abuse-inquiry.

sandra laville.

ABibleStudent

Tom Watson, Labour MP - “We are only just beginning to understand how as a country, over many generations, we managed to turn a blind eye to Britain’s child abuse scandal. The survivors deserve justice and future generations require greater protection.”

Thanks Barbara. It is not just U.K. politicians that have ignored the problem. If citizens don't contact politicians to pass laws to protect children or eliminate SOL, nothing will be done.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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help catagorize my wife: I truely believe she suffers from cognitive dissonance and other things this stupid cult causes.

by goingthruthemotions in

i find it hard sometimes to get a good idea has to how to communicate with my wife when it come to this stupid cult.. she is born in and stopped attending for many years and got baptized later in life.

i truely believe she suffers from cognitive dissonance and other things this stupid cult causes.. here is a breakdown of what i gather to be where she is mentally.. * she calls the borg her faith.

here are actions that she does that go against her thoughts:.

ABibleStudent

Hi goingthruthemotions, Have you read any of Steven Hassan's books such as his revision to his first book "Combating Cult Mind Control" or watched any of his videos such as Strategic Interactive Approach explained 2003 (1:23:23)?

Your best options are to:

help your wife get involved in time consuming hobbies that she loves where she will meet more non-JWs.
Learn when your wife's authentic persona is in control, how to enable it to become stronger, and how to turn-off her cult persona.
Learn how to overcome thought-stopping platitudes without making your wife suspicious.
Ask simple questions to help your wife critically think for herself like Billy the Ex-Bethelite wrote in
exJW Psychology 102--How to Ask a Question When Questions Aren't Allowed

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Spiritual AMNESTY -- Return to Jehovah

by FusionTheism in

basically, from what i can tell from the new return to jehovah brochure, is that the governing body is now offering amnesty to anyone who has been gone from the congregation but now wants to return.. it claims it doesn't matter what sins you've done, or what caused you to leave, if you repent to jehovah and ask the elders to help you, and return to the meetings, you'll be warmly welcomed with no disciplinary action or judgment against you..

ABibleStudent

Hi FusionTheism, Where can I get a copy of the Return to Jehovah brochure? It wasn't available on JWN.

Depending what it states, I would like to file a compliant by sending it, an IRS form 13909, and a couple of other Watchtower publications to the IRS.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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No More Money!

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

jw
friends

as of this june (i've already given my may contributions which are substantial) i am no longer giving money to support useless building projects that serve no good purpose.

i am no longer giving money at conventions or assemblies.

i am no longer giving money toward the circuit overseers upkeep.

ABibleStudent

Hold Me-Thrill Me. I wish other JWs (including those that you help) would stop contributing to the WTBTS.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert