aint that about a bitch!!!
when my brother said this to me the other day, i tried my hardest to try to explain why the watchtower's polices on sexaul abuse and molestation in the past, and he said that it was the parents fault (not the watchtowers fault) that these children got molested, and that its the parents job to protect the children.
i tried to tell his thick headed, simple minded self that back in the day parents were threated with disfellowshippment and dissassociation if they reported this to the police.
Hi Joliette, Ask your brother if he has seen this NBC news report?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLAC9kS_EqM&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL779AC2D138CA14BC
Then, ask your brother why the WTBTS settled 9 court cases instead of fighting the cases? When has the WTBTS ever backdown from litigation?
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
a translation request: i need to have a two-page letter fluently translated into portuguese and then posted on any or all portuguese xjw websites.
please pm me.
barbara.
Thank you Barbara for helping other JWs/exJWs to learn more about the WTBTS by translating what you know to other languages!!
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
..........said mrs punk!.
this was how she justified screaming abuse at me an slamming doors when she overheard me tell a bloke who was about to get baptized why i quit the meetings.
in fairness i wouldn't have said a thing but he asked me.
Hi punkofnice, It sounds like your wife has cognitive dissonance. Finish reading Steve Hassan's books for the definition and further explainations. Was your wife on meds before you were DA'ed/started being inactive? If she was than I would strongely suppect that she has cognitive dissonance.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
please review my letter to the irs commissioner to establish a process for revoking the tax exempt status of dangerous cults and write comments about how to improve it.. rough draft of letter.
mr. douglas h. shulman .
commissioner.
Instead of writing to the Comissioner of the IRS, I decided to write to the Secretary of the Treasury to start a church tax inquiry in accordance with subsection 7611 of Title 26. If you want to read information about subsection 7611 of Title 26, please read earlier posts by me to this thread. Please feel free to comment on this letter.
I do need help with locating people that have personal knowledge about some of the WTBTS's financial information. Does anyone have information about the WTBTS getting donations (i.e., kickbacks) from businessses that the WTBTS promoted to JWs to stay at that had substandard accomodations? Does anyone have information about the WTBTS consolidating congregations in nearby KHs and then selling off vacant KHs without involving the local congregation in the decision? I feel that information about those aforementioned practices might interest the IRS very much and might be perceived as not an activity that is approved for a church in Title 26.
In the near future I plan to write a letter to the ACLU about challenging the Constitutionality of subsections of Title 26 that gurantee Churches/religions tax exempt status based solely on them claiming that they are churches/religions.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
Mr. Timothy Franz Geithner
United States Secretary
of the Treasury
1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20220
Dear Secretary Timothy F. Geithner:
I respectfully request that a church tax inquiry be started in accordance with subsection 7611 of the USC Title 26 to investigate the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York Inc. (EIN 11-1753577), Brooklyn, NY to revoke its 501(c)(3) tax exempt status. The tax inquiry should investigate the following as a minimum:
- Donations (i.e., monetary kickbacks) from businesses that the Society actively promotes to members to stay at when attending conventions and assemblies,
- Selling real property where members regularly meet (or met before being forced to relocate) and that those members paid off loans to the Society without those members freely making the decision to sell, and
- Behavioral control techniques that the Society uses to control its members and to prevent members from freely choosing to practice their religious beliefs, as guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.
Is it possible for the Treasury Department to establish a process that Americans can send evidence about the Society for the Department to investigate? All that is needed is to establish a mail/email address for Americans to send information about the Society for a period of 6 months or more, and then assign trained agent(s) to review the information to determine whether to revoke the Society’s 501(c)(3) tax exempt status.
What type of non-financial information and how much information would the Treasury Department need to revoke the Society’s 501(c)(3) tax exempt status as a church? Is publically available literature written by the Society encouraging family and friends, who are members, to shun former members evidence of promoting prejudice and discrimination? Or, are documents/literature acceptable that discloses how the organization teaches its members to deceive and lie to its members, the general public, government officials, and the courts? Are letters from former/current members acceptable that describe how the Society’s activities prevented them from freely practicing their religious beliefs, harmed them personally, increased tensions in a community, and promoted prejudice and discrimination? Are court documents acceptable that show how an organization interfered with criminal complaints being filed about child abuse and/or molestation?
If the Treasury Department actively investigates organizations that support terrorism to eliminate them from receiving tax exemptions and donations, why doesn’t the Treasury Department also investigate organizations for being a dangerous cult such as the Watchtower Society? Members of dangerous cults have killed Americans at Jonestown in Guyana and in Waco, Texas and continue to harm Americans: the dangers for Americans are real. I believe that the American Government is inadvertantly supporting dangerous cults, because dangerous cults have and continue to receive 501(c)(3) tax exempt status. Agent(s) could be trained by reading books by cult experts, such as Steve Hassan’s book “Combatting Cult Mind Control”, and by taking seminars from cult experts in how to identify a dangerous cult and to understand how it behaves.
Thank you in advance for reviewing and responding to my letter.
Sincerely,
Robert
re: "interview with a prosecutor" (steven unthank) by richard rawe on dialogue.
thank you to all those who emailed me about my upcoming interview by richard rawe on his "dialogue" talk show.. .
quite a while ago i agreed to let rawe interview me.
Thanks Barbara for posting Steven Unthank's letter.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
okay, so i am new to the site, but i have been following ur threads for awhile now, and i am finding great comfort in them!
no, i am not a witness and i have never been, and never will be!
i did however, date a witness for about three years.. it was our typical 357th biweekly 'man hating' girls night out, and meeting mr. right was the last thing on my mind!
Welcome (((((Madge)))) to JWN and I am sorry for the pain that you have experienced. Sizemilk is right that Steve Hassan's books will help you to understand and communicate better with your JW friend. If your friend is having doubts about the WTBTS, you may want to anonymously send him a copy of Raymond Franz's books (i.e., "Crisis of Conscience" and "In Search of Christian Freedom") that you can buy from Amazon or on-line as a pdf file.
Except for having a child with a JW, I do understand your situation. I also had an amazing and short relationship with a JW woman, who's cult persona is more dominate than her authentic persona. Love your daughter and the authentic persona of your friend, and move on with your life. It sucks!!! But, cult mind control is more pervasive than you might believe. The best of wishes for you and your daughter.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
stopped in a local eatery this evening for their famous vegetarian enchilada casserole and there was a man in there, an elder in a local congregation who i was aquatinted with (he did some work for me at my home) and we know his wife.
he was in the same congregation i was in for a time.. i went over to him to say hi and shake his hand and when i reached out he pulled his hand away so i looked over at his partner who was obviously a bible study and reached out to shake his hand and as i did i said to him the reason he wont shake my hand is that hes mad because i dont go to meetings anymore.
i walked away and nothing else was said.. .
Hi ldrnomo, Impressive!! You may have saved an innocent from slaving for a cult.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
please review my letter to the irs commissioner to establish a process for revoking the tax exempt status of dangerous cults and write comments about how to improve it.. rough draft of letter.
mr. douglas h. shulman .
commissioner.
Hi Band on the Run, Even though I got headaches from reading subsections of Title 26, thank you for your suggestions to read it and research what other individuals/organizations are doing about challenging tax exemptions for religions. I did learn that § 7611 of Title 26 requires that the Secretary of the Treasury may begin a church tax inquiry, so I should address my letter to the Secretary of the Treasury instead of the Commissioner of the IRS. Will you help me to understand if § 501, § 504, § 6033, § 7611, and § 512 of Title 26 conflict with the Establishment clause in the Constitution, to understand if organizations are required to meet a charitable standard in Title 26, and to write a letter to the ACLU inspiring it to challenge § 501, § 504, § 6033, § 7611, and § 512 of Title 26 in court?
I searched the Cornell University Law School, Legal Information Institute database for “501 and church” (30 occurrences found), “501 and religion” (2 occurrences found), and “501 and religious” (24 occurrences found) in Title 26 of the USC. After reviewing the results from the search I need help verifying that a legal interpretation of the following subsections of Title 26 would confirm a conflict with the Establishment clause of the Constitution:
1) TITLE 26 > Subtitle A > CHAPTER 1 > Subchapter F > PART I > § 501 - Exemption from tax on corporations, certain trusts, etc
2) TITLE 26 > Subtitle A > CHAPTER 1 > Subchapter F > PART I > § 502 - Feeder organizations
5) TITLE 26 > Subtitle F > CHAPTER 78 > Subchapter A > § 7611 - Restrictions on church tax inquiries and examinations
6) TITLE 26 > Subtitle A > CHAPTER 1 > Subchapter F > PART III > § 512 - Unrelated business taxable income
After reading the preceding subsections of Title 26, reading other web pages about challenges to tax exempt status of Churches, and visiting the ACLU website, I thought of a couple of ideas to campaign for changing the § 501, § 504, § 6033, § 7611, and § 512 of Title 26. I feel that § 501, § 504, § 6033, § 7611, and § 512 of Title 26 establishes churches/religions in the tax law and favors a church/religion over charitable organization, because an organization only has to claim that it is a church without having to prove it meets a charitable standard. I also need help in trying to understand why the IRS Exempt Purposes - Internal Revenue Code Section 501(c)(3) web page states that charitable is used in its generally accepted legal sense, but § 501 of Title 26 does not specifically state that.
If the ACLU practices what it states on its webpage, the ACLU may be interested in that subsections in Title 26 establish churches/religions. According to the ACLU Religion & Belief's Webpage :
“The goal of the ACLU’s work on freedom of religion and belief is to guarantee that all are free to follow and practice their faith – or no faith at all – without governmental influence or interference. Through litigation, public education, and advocacy, the ACLU promotes religious freedom and works to ensure that government neither prefers religion over non-religion nor favors particular faiths over others. At the same time, we act to protect the equally important and related constitutional right to exercise and express religious beliefs and individual conscience.”
I believe that the government is inadvertently influencing how Americans practice their faith by supporting organizations such as the WTBTS with tax exempt status without at least requiring that churches/religions refrain from/do not promote shunning of former members by active members.
I plan to continue to write letters to legislators and the executive branch to educate them about the harm that is caused by dangerous cults to Americans. Simultaneously I plan to write to the ACLU to challenge the constitutional validity of the government supporting organizations through exempting them from paying taxes. If the ACLU is successful to challenge the constitutionality of § 501, § 504, § 6033, § 7611, and § 512 of Title 26, then Congress would be in a position of having to change Title 26. It would help if other people would also write their representatives at least monthly to change § 501, § 504, § 6033, § 7611, and § 512 of Title 26.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
this was the official reply after i had sent an e-mail to a lot of elders in the us through their own mailing lists (hundreds of key members of the jw hierarchy in all 55 states were hit).
june 21, 2011. .
from the us branch office.
Hi cedars, It is very easy to create many email accounts, so create one for just sending out emails to the JWs and don't use your personal account.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you know,
Robert
this was the official reply after i had sent an e-mail to a lot of elders in the us through their own mailing lists (hundreds of key members of the jw hierarchy in all 55 states were hit).
june 21, 2011. .
from the us branch office.
Congradulations Anony Mous !! Did you send them a pdf or link to "Crisis of Conscience" and an excerpt from the Watchtower about how the truth is the truth even if spoken by Satan? Are you planning anything special if Australia issues arrest warrents for the GB?
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
Robert
