Posts by Essan

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Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

by Essan in

i'm disgusted.

so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

Essan

Isaac, the Society can't really keep it's story straight. The Proclaimers book claims that 1914 became solid JW doctrine from 1925, but this is contradicted by Society literature from 1929 which explicitly says Christ's Presence began in 1874. So the Proclaimers date is not accurate. And the 1973 book "God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years" indicates that 1914 didn't become solidly accepted as the year of Christ's presence until 1943! I can find actual references if you need them.

IMO, It's probably safe to say that the Society actively taught that Christ "Presence" began in 1874 until 1929, and didn't fully repeal this teaching until 1943.

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Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

by Essan in

i'm disgusted.

so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

Essan

DJ, can't get anything right. He said:

"I noticed that the very first of these so-called correction appears in the original 1889 book, but what you are suggesting here is that you are willing to believe JWfacts.com than what your own investigation should reveal as to whether what this website says is truly the case."

No, I confirmed this by looking the scans of original text. Here is this first 1915 correction DJ refers to and says is bogus:

Vol. II., page 77, line 1, "will be the farthest limit," reads "will see the disintegration."
Which he say is already in the 1889 original. But actually it IS NOT THERE. The original text 1st Edition, which can be viewed as scans online, of course, reads just as the quote above said it does BEFORE it was corrected in 1915 AFTER Russell predictions failed:
"... 1914: and that that date will be the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men."
Check online for yourselves. Top of page 77.
http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/docs/1889_The_Time_Is_At_Hand_1st_Ed.pdf

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Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

by Essan in

i'm disgusted.

so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

Essan

Ok, well DJ, that last response really tells me all that I need to know. You're utterly exposed.

You are a committed liar and thus a fake Christian.

I'm satisfied that everyone can see that now and therefore there is no point continuing. The thread has served it's purpose and my hope that you would perhaps benefit from discovering the truth was clearly wildly overly optimistic. However your lying, obfuscating responses done more than I could ever hope to do to show you up for what you really are.

You claimed that Russell changed his mind and taught that Christ's "presence" was to begin in 1914, you were proven completely wrong.

You claimed Russell made no predictions for 1914, you were proven completely wrong.

You claimed Russell did not predict the coming of Christ for 1914, or anything like it, visible or invisible, you were proven completely wrong.

Still, you won't admit your lies. All can see it. So there is nothing left to say.

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Is going to the Kingdom Hall G or PG or R rating experience?

by asilentone in

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Essan

I'd say PG and sometimes R. Some of the things discussed in the hall should not be discussed in front of children, even if their parents are present, IMO.

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Blackness. If the JW religion is a majority black religion, is this a majority black board?

by Quillsky in

jw
friends

before anyone asks whether it's important.... no it's not, it's just interesting..

Essan

Thanks, Funny stuff. :) That line is somehow imprinted on my brain now. I'll remember that for a long time. LOL

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Blackness. If the JW religion is a majority black religion, is this a majority black board?

by Quillsky in

jw
friends

before anyone asks whether it's important.... no it's not, it's just interesting..

Essan

"Well it IS "Scientology for black people" isn't it?"

ROFLOL Where did you get that line from?

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Important Message from the Governing Body.

by Essan in

repent!

the seventh armageddon is coming!.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp8usagdxk8.

Essan

Yeah, pity we couldn't use the same excuse on our report slips.

"This slip is empty, Brother"

"No. no, I pioneered this month honest, but my pioneering came invisibly and so did my report. I'm, you know, like, emulating Christ n'stuff"

"Well done Brother! You are a fine example!" :)

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Important Message from the Governing Body.

by Essan in

repent!

the seventh armageddon is coming!.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp8usagdxk8.

Essan

Can anyone tell me what the 1975 Armageddon was like?

I was young and I slept through it. Damn! :)

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Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

by Essan in

i'm disgusted.

so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

Essan

Debator,

if I wished to point out the Society's flaws now, I would, but that is not what this thread is about. I could point out, on a related note, that the Society lies now about what they taught back then, which has been proven. This thread is about what Russell actually said 100 years ago and beyond, not about the modern day Society lying about this nor any of their other current sins. For every topic under the sun, there is a thread. :)

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Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

by Essan in

i'm disgusted.

so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

Essan

Debator, when a discussion arises about what a historical figure like Russell said...

"He said X"

"No he didn't, he never said X"

...then you have to go back to the original texts to see what was actually said and settle the mater. That is what is happening here. Any further significance of what was said is not under discussion here, only the facts about what was said.