Posts by Essan

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Atheist believe there is no God? Yes we do, strongly!

by bohm in

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there seem to have been a strong increase in entymological arguments lately, more precisely regarding the term atheist.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/198111/1/lets-settle-this-for-once-and-for-all-is-atheism-a-belief-a-non-belief-or-an-anti-belief.

i have reread the thread and i think i see where it goes very wrong.

Essan

Zid, your God has boobs and can't throw. Need I say more? :)

Technically though, I suppose it could be said that Jehovah has boobs - they're called Jehovah's Witnesses and he's got 7 million of them

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Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

by Essan in

i'm disgusted.

so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

Thanks Peacedog, I think DJ is relying on bombast and bluster and hoping that people won't make the effort to check the facts for themselves - ironically, that's what he actually accuses me of, despite the fact that of the two of us I was the one providing links to the original texts! That's the Society's tactic too, speak authoritatively and hope nobody checks. They taught DJ well.

Yeah, it seems obvious now that DJ was just a liar. I knew he lied, I just hoped he was unwittingly repeating lies he was told, rather than being a knowing participant in lies. But it seems clear from his responses to the evidence that he is personally committed to lying and just intends to protect his delusions and infect others with them at all costs, rather than being an honest lover of truth. As I've said before, JW's like him still manage shock me, because I had no idea at all that such people existed among JW's when I was one. I still can't get used to it. I think that's why I get so dogged in trying to present the facts to them sometimes, because I imagine they must just not understand or be mistaken and so there must surely some a point where they say "Oh, I see! Yes that's undeniable." I'm still not used to people who are actively, knowingly, devotedly deceptive.

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Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

by Essan in

i'm disgusted.

so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

Essan

Isaac, the Society can't really keep it's story straight. The Proclaimers book claims that 1914 became solid JW doctrine from 1925, but this is contradicted by Society literature from 1929 which explicitly says Christ's Presence began in 1874. So the Proclaimers date is not accurate. And the 1973 book "God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years" indicates that 1914 didn't become solidly accepted as the year of Christ's presence until 1943! I can find actual references if you need them.

IMO, It's probably safe to say that the Society actively taught that Christ "Presence" began in 1874 until 1929, and didn't fully repeal this teaching until 1943.

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Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

by Essan in

i'm disgusted.

so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

Essan

DJ, can't get anything right. He said:

"I noticed that the very first of these so-called correction appears in the original 1889 book, but what you are suggesting here is that you are willing to believe JWfacts.com than what your own investigation should reveal as to whether what this website says is truly the case."

No, I confirmed this by looking the scans of original text. Here is this first 1915 correction DJ refers to and says is bogus:

Vol. II., page 77, line 1, "will be the farthest limit," reads "will see the disintegration."
Which he say is already in the 1889 original. But actually it IS NOT THERE. The original text 1st Edition, which can be viewed as scans online, of course, reads just as the quote above said it does BEFORE it was corrected in 1915 AFTER Russell predictions failed:
"... 1914: and that that date will be the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men."
Check online for yourselves. Top of page 77.
http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/docs/1889_The_Time_Is_At_Hand_1st_Ed.pdf

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Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

by Essan in

i'm disgusted.

so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

Essan

Ok, well DJ, that last response really tells me all that I need to know. You're utterly exposed.

You are a committed liar and thus a fake Christian.

I'm satisfied that everyone can see that now and therefore there is no point continuing. The thread has served it's purpose and my hope that you would perhaps benefit from discovering the truth was clearly wildly overly optimistic. However your lying, obfuscating responses done more than I could ever hope to do to show you up for what you really are.

You claimed that Russell changed his mind and taught that Christ's "presence" was to begin in 1914, you were proven completely wrong.

You claimed Russell made no predictions for 1914, you were proven completely wrong.

You claimed Russell did not predict the coming of Christ for 1914, or anything like it, visible or invisible, you were proven completely wrong.

Still, you won't admit your lies. All can see it. So there is nothing left to say.

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Is going to the Kingdom Hall G or PG or R rating experience?

by asilentone in

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Essan

I'd say PG and sometimes R. Some of the things discussed in the hall should not be discussed in front of children, even if their parents are present, IMO.

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