Me too.......wondered about her for a long time.
So sorry to hear that she has gone from this earth, but I know she had a strong belief that many would be envious of.
God speed dear Lady......... may your wishes come true.
update on mouthy (grace gough)this is graces granddaughter.
i wanted to send an update that today my beautiful grandmother passed away - surrounded by friends and family.
- may 22 1927 - sept 2nd 2016. mouthys_granddaughter.
Me too.......wondered about her for a long time.
So sorry to hear that she has gone from this earth, but I know she had a strong belief that many would be envious of.
God speed dear Lady......... may your wishes come true.
hello jwn,.
to introduce myself, i am still in the jws but learned ttatt some months ago.
i now ask this question to get more info on a past teaching.. between 1967 and 1980 was when the 'current understanding' of the wts was that organ transplants were cannibalism, and thus abhorrent.
Watchtower never thinks ahead. Always making up stupid rules! Like little gangs of boys posting RULES on the Club House Door.
My brother had been blinded in his eye and had a chance to see again with a cornea transplant. But that was forbidden around the mid sixties...on the threat of dying at Armageddon!
So no transplant.
By the late 70's it was possible to have that operation without "getting killed". But guess what?
By waiting so long, the brain no longer responded to that eye.
So because of watchtower insanity ...the man lived almost 50 years with a blind eye!
No problem for watchtower .......but plenty for my brother!
Guess the gb really need to go back to school ..their grade 8 educations are just not cutting it!!! Damn idiots!
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now watchtower uses the same reasoning to excommunicate as it did in 1947 to excommunicate!.
Now watchtower uses the same reasoning to excommunicate as it did in 1947 to excommunicate!
is there some new teachings i am hearing about, in the disfellow shipping area?.
All you have to do now is ....doubt & question!
hello girls !.
i ve been reading you all many times , and from many years ..... i am sure my english is getting better and better because of you !
i am from france, no sorry , from "small brittany " ...so what ?
Absolutesbegginer.......... your words !
"My father told me not far ago " turn the page , it was a mistake we did "
I made that mistake also ... most on here did.
The spine of that book that holds the page that we turn ... is mind numbingly powerful.
The deceit & outright lies almost killed us.
The page is turned but the melody lingers on.
Your drink & my holding everyone at arms length, is part of that melody.
I think I am just going to burn the damn book!
Hope we hear more from you.
clarity
actually its quite amusing to observe the different reactions from within the org every time theres new light.how dumb does a person have to be to not realize its all a conjob.surely a thinking logical person would question all the changes over the years.lts almost like the blind leading the blind scenario.
i'd like to brainstorm something with the rest of you.
this summer at the regional conventions we all know by now that a talk on shunning is going to be given.
we all know what that talk will likely point to.
Love your idea Dubstepped.
When I think of my family attending the convention this summer ...I have a flash back to the Jews being tricked into believing that the path led to the 'showers'. They were poisoned instead.
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The enormity of this Watchtower Evil is stunning. So stunning that it almost paralyzes me. Now the stakes are so high, that I fear saying the wrong thing. Surely many exjws, who so very much want to liberate their loved ones, feel this pressure too.
This, in my estimation, is why watchtower is shockingly ruling with an IRON hand, going well beyond the things written, beyond all human decency! They want to shut us up. They want us to give up.
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If we ever needed governmental or media exposure ...we need it now.
What about informing media etc ahead of time also, sending out the assembly outline en masse, ahead of time. Watchtower is setting a trap for those not conforming to their rules ..... lets turn it back on them.
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Yes lets keep loving our families and don't stop ...and help them to see watchtower for what it really is.
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"You spend years wishing your parents would get off your back, only to realize they’re the only ones who ever really had your back."
"Blood is thicker than water"
clarity
my name is christian and my wife is katja, and we have been out of the organization for a year and a half.
we were both regular pioneers and i was a ministerial servant.
we were very much happy to be witnesses and doing our best to do more for the organization.
Christian & Katja so glad you found us here. Watched your vids from the start ....... your sincerity & youth is very refreshing. You will accomplish a lot because the confused jw kids will relate to you in a big way!
I understood that you were 'thinking' of moving to the West Coast ....love to meet you if that is the case.
Wishing you all the best ...
clarity
it is a challenge coming to terms with your experience as a jehovah's witness.
if you were born and raised as a jw, and your parents were true believers, the impact on your life is profound, lasting, and largely negative.
in some cases quite abusive emotionally, spiritually, financially, educationally and yes, even sexually.. i recently watched "trumbo", and was quite moved by dalton trumbo's speech to the screen writers guild in 1970. here is an excerpt that i think is quite relevant to this topic:.
Wow Lee Elder ...nice to see you.
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The leaders of the watchtower society do know, very well..
All those semi rulers, the Do's, CO's, etc etc know also.
Company men! All of them ....the DUPERS!
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We at the lower levels are the DUPEES!
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Some wake-up & still stay in. The rest just continue with their daily beatings! BUT ....all are complicit in the DUPING process!
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As we prance around the neighborhoods & do street corner racking ....... a little voice in our head says to be careful, don't say "everything just yet" you don't want to put them off!
We hold back stuff we know the public would never accept ....if they only knew.
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We don't tell them if they 'join' jw's they cannot leave without punishment.
We don't tell them we have Judge, Jury & Executioner in a little room ....just you & three men ....judging you to death or life! We don't tell you that these men will probably be 2 window washers & a real estate salesman!
Every holiday celebration will be forbidden.
Your children & you may die from lack of medical treatment!
Oh yeah we know this and hundreds more things we aren't telling ......... at first!
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As long as we support this jehovah's witnesses organization in any way ....we are complicit in it.
If, I believed in the bible I would say "get out of her my people"
clarity
wow this is interesting!
i think how much emphasis this puts on "loyalty" shows their is an issue.
they're trying to plug the wholes as much and quickly as possible.