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  Contradictory geneology of Jesus

  by rebel8 in

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  so i'm reading another carl sagan book and he seems to invariably find a way to slam j-dubs in each one.

  (i can't say i blame him.).

  anyway, in this one he discusses the fact that the gospels give contradictory geneologies of jesus--differing lines back to david from joseph, and a different number of generations.

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  Crazyguy- that royal line was cursed by God.

  It is addressed at www.whatjewsbelieve.com

  Look at the link on the right for Jesus is not the messiah.
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  I can not find the recording of Fred Franz talk at Bethel about Governing Body being unscritual

  by Greybeard in

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  i thought it was on youtube.

  did them big cowboys at the top remove it?.

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  Publisher Statistics

  by lurkernomore in

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  2. scandals

  i was watching a couple videos on youtube earlier and always like to peruse the comments at the bottom of the page.. i'm no sure if this has been discussed recently, but one indivdual made the claim that the societies numbers are massively over inflated, as he/she believes that they include inactive, df'd and da'd in their figures.. does anyone have any information to confirm this or i this just another assumption made without evidence?.

  (also has anyone heard from witnessmyfury lately?

  i had a pm chat with him a few days ago but not had a reply to my latest msgs.

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  lurkernomore- you're welcome!
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  Publisher Statistics

  by lurkernomore in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was watching a couple videos on youtube earlier and always like to peruse the comments at the bottom of the page.. i'm no sure if this has been discussed recently, but one indivdual made the claim that the societies numbers are massively over inflated, as he/she believes that they include inactive, df'd and da'd in their figures.. does anyone have any information to confirm this or i this just another assumption made without evidence?.

  (also has anyone heard from witnessmyfury lately?

  i had a pm chat with him a few days ago but not had a reply to my latest msgs.

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  I agree, most baptisms are most likely children of publishers who are encouraged/pressured to get their kids baptized.

  It is inconsistant to try and compare the number of studies and pioneers now with, lets say, the number in the 70's. As was mentioned, pioneers now put in 70 hours per month instead of 90, aux pios put in 50 or at times 30 instead of 60 per month.

  As for studies, we used to have to conduct a study with someone for an hour at least 3 times a month to be able to report the study.

  Now, they report "door-step" studies of 10-15 minutes!

  If held to the older standards, how many pioneers and studies would there be now? A lot less I'd say!

  And if small children and 15 minute pubs were not included, how many publishers would there be?

  Any increases actual taking place must be very small.
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  Publisher Statistics

  by lurkernomore in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was watching a couple videos on youtube earlier and always like to peruse the comments at the bottom of the page.. i'm no sure if this has been discussed recently, but one indivdual made the claim that the societies numbers are massively over inflated, as he/she believes that they include inactive, df'd and da'd in their figures.. does anyone have any information to confirm this or i this just another assumption made without evidence?.

  (also has anyone heard from witnessmyfury lately?

  i had a pm chat with him a few days ago but not had a reply to my latest msgs.

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  steve 2-

  The brother from Bethel was refering to the total publishers, which at that time was 2.9 million, wheras the PEAK publishers was only 2.6 million as reported in the YB. Thus there were around 300,000 publishers in the congs who went out in service at some point in that SY but did not report FS.

  Yes, The yb always shows the average and peak pubs. But I was referring to the TOTAL as reported by the CO's to the branch offices. The lower number of 2.6 million was published as the peak pubs that year, while the 2.9 million figure was not used.
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  Publisher Statistics

  by lurkernomore in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was watching a couple videos on youtube earlier and always like to peruse the comments at the bottom of the page.. i'm no sure if this has been discussed recently, but one indivdual made the claim that the societies numbers are massively over inflated, as he/she believes that they include inactive, df'd and da'd in their figures.. does anyone have any information to confirm this or i this just another assumption made without evidence?.

  (also has anyone heard from witnessmyfury lately?

  i had a pm chat with him a few days ago but not had a reply to my latest msgs.

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  The elder who studied with me was the cong secratary. He would not include anyone in the reports who did not hand in a FS slip that month.

  Hours may be exagerated, but the number of publishers reported is acurate. Many don't report and are not counted.

  The increase reported is very small, most countries have none and a number show decreases.

  There is a difference between the publisher figure that appears in the YB and the one the CO reports.

  For instance, back in the early 80's I was told by a brother at Bethel that there were 2.9 million witnesses! But I was disappointed when the YB reported 2.6 million.

  The brother told me the reason for the difference was because the YB figure includes only those who reported, the higher figure was the number the CO reported to the branch based on publisher record cards.

  So in other words, the CO reports indicated based on the number of publisher record cards in the cong that there were 2.9 million pubs associating with the congreagations, but the peak publisher figure in the YB of 2.6 million was the number who reported FS.
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  Expect JW.ORG figures to be inflated for August

  by Quarterback in

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  2. friends

  i find myself trying to access the website, too often, to access the november wt.

  this wt is supposed to contain the details of the changes.

  so far, nothing.. i think that others are trying to do the same thing just to read about those details.

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  Nov. 15 w is now up on jw.org.

  Promoting the org as the one true religion again.

  True religion is an oxymoron! lol!
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  Expect JW.ORG figures to be inflated for August

  by Quarterback in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i find myself trying to access the website, too often, to access the november wt.

  this wt is supposed to contain the details of the changes.

  so far, nothing.. i think that others are trying to do the same thing just to read about those details.

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  The Nov. 15 w has not gone up on jw.org. They used to put new ones up on Thursdays. Last week was a skip week so I guess this is a skip week too.
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  JW.ORG logo on EVERYTHING

  by dynamiterose77 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  fine line between idolotry and branding... just sayin.... .

  i'm just seeing a lot of home-made or print on demand site items with jw.org logos pasted all over.

  as an art director, i laugh, because it's hideous.

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  PrincessCynic-

  you are absolutely right- they worship an organization.
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  Is their a new holocaust in the making ? Are jews being made the scapegoats again ?

  by smiddy in

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  mass immigration in the world "seems" to have led to a rise in anti -semitism in the west.

  france now has more than six million muslims.. germany now has four million muslims.

  the netherlands has almost one million muslims .

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  rjharris-

  a Jew is a person who was born one and who comes from that lineage.

  Religion does not and cannot change a persons lineage. You try to speak for god about who he thinks is a Jew or not. You can believe whatever you want, but it is only religion. Anybody can change their religion. No-one can change their lineage.

  Your statement that Israel today is a murderer and your putting them in the same catagory as Hamas and Isis is both ignorant and insulting.

  Religion creates hatred and judgementalism. If it were up to me, all religion would be gone starting with Islam.

  Paul's words you quote as to who is a Jew contradict the Hebrew scriptures. He was creating a new religion and his words as well as the rest of the NT holds no weight- it has no authority.

  I am amazed I did not see it as a witness, (though my family did), how absurd it is for non-Jews to claim natural Jews are NOT Jews and non-Jews are. I am a Jew by birth, as are all of my blood relatives. My lineage proves who I am, not what some made up religion teaches.