Posts by WontLeave

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Was Judas Present During "The Lord's Evening Meal"?

by dontplaceliterature in

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so...i heard the speaker during the memorial mention this.

he said for a fact, that judas would not have been present.

however, upon reading luke 22, you see clearly that the argument about judas started after jesus instituted the new covenant.

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In John 13, the meal is over in v4 and Judas doesn't leave until v30. So, even if Jesus handed Judas a scrap of bread that was completely unassociated with the passing of bread and wine, they were up from the table and wrapped in towels, washing feet, before Judas left. Add Luke to that and it's pretty obvious that Judas was present for the passing of bread and wine.

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I could use some help arming myself.

by WontLeave in

i know there is going to be a backlash to skipping the memorial and i want to be ready.

i actually drove by the kingdom hall last evening, just so i could say i came on passover and nobody was there.

this will initiate a watchtower worship session where they drag out all of their "scholarly" research.

WontLeave

In this case, I'm going to have to go with Rambo. He didn't start the fight, but he was a whole lot better prepared for it. I won't initiate a confrontation, but anyone who's ever stood out at the Hall knows, you don't have to start it; they'll bring it to you. Some may see me as baiting them, but the same could be said about Jesus or Daniel, then.

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I could use some help arming myself.

by WontLeave in

i know there is going to be a backlash to skipping the memorial and i want to be ready.

i actually drove by the kingdom hall last evening, just so i could say i came on passover and nobody was there.

this will initiate a watchtower worship session where they drag out all of their "scholarly" research.

WontLeave

This confrontation won't be about me. It will be a stand for truth and a demonstration I have no fear of men. It will be a chance for them to bury themselves and me to have a record of events. After I'm thrown out for standing up for truth, they won't be able to deny it or lie about what transpired. I've experience the elders "paraphrasing" events in the back room. In all honesty, they're damned liars and they're going to step in it, deep.

I don't recall any scriptures that praise wandering off or leaving (thus, my name). But there are plenty about being thrown out and excluded for taking a stand. Jesus didn't avoid confrontation and neither did he suggest it to his followers. Never do I remember him saying

"Okay, guys... The Pharisees are getting upset about us not washing our hands to the elbow - I know, I know... But let's just try to be nice to them and maybe they'll be nicer to us. Here's what we're going to do: Whenever we're around them, let's just conform so they don't get upset. When we're in our own homes, we can wash whatever we want, but let's not make waves."

This isn't about winning them over, because they're Pharisees. This isn't about making changes happen, because they're Pharisees. This isn't about making them feel ashamed, because they're Pharisees. No victory can be had in those kangaroo courts any more than Jesus could convert the power-hungry leadership in his day. The victory to be had is with the onlookers. The people who saw Jesus take on the corrupt establishment and were empowered to take a stand themselves. Jesus wasn't afraid of them and he realized his responsibility to make a stand and show it's not impossible and it certainly isn't wrong.

Granted, I'm not the High Priest of God's people, like Jesus was/is. I don't have the authority to call them names and condemn them to Gehenna. But I have Scriptural counsel to make a stand and defend my faith; and my faith isn't in 7 old men in Brooklyn or in the printing company they run. And it certainly isn't in 7M maids and construction workers.

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Atlas Shrugged Part 1

by littlerockguy in

went and saw atlas shrugged part 1 at the rave theater here in little rock friday night.

i was surprised it showed here since it had such a limited showing.. anyway i was really surprised at how well it was done on such a limited budget and a very tight and short schedule to have the whole picture done and it really followed the book very well.

i went to the 7:15 showing and the theater was packed but but not sold out.

WontLeave

It's always helpful to get the rantings of opinionated fringe groups. Thank you for the copy-and-paste insight, bohm. Can you find something as scathing about An Inconvenient Truth or some Michael Moore movies or would that be against your uber-leftist religion?

Thankfully, we with a back-story of dealing with the JW nutters who use propaganda and severely-slanted spin have a place like this to come to, so we can get it from a fresh source.

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I could use some help arming myself.

by WontLeave in

i know there is going to be a backlash to skipping the memorial and i want to be ready.

i actually drove by the kingdom hall last evening, just so i could say i came on passover and nobody was there.

this will initiate a watchtower worship session where they drag out all of their "scholarly" research.

WontLeave

I know there is going to be a backlash to skipping the Memorial and I want to be ready. I actually drove by the Kingdom Hall last evening, just so I could say I came on Passover and nobody was there. This will initiate a Watchtower worship session where they drag out all of their "scholarly" research. Just like they had "scholarly" research that Jesus was clean-shaved, blood transfusions and organ transplants would change people's personalities, the human heart controls emotions. I'd like to compile a nice list of incredibly stupid things the Society turned over every rock to find some "expert" to agree with their ridiculous belief. I'd prefer the information to be on the CD-ROM, since that would be easier to print off, but perhaps establishing a long history of shady proof from so-called "experts" would help, too.

If I'm called into the back room over this, I will have a digital recorder on me. I will record it and I will post it online. I will crush and destroy them, as I usually do. Only, this time I will not temper my responses as their brother, but I will treat them as the apostate antichrists they are. I am already aware they will never admit the Society is wrong now or ever has been. I know they will completely turn away from sound doctrine, in favor of worshiping their idol, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. I am fairly confident I will be DFed as an "apostate" for holding to the truth.

One really interesting point is that denying their erroneous day of Passover, denying their weak evidence for the "torture stake", denying their insane interpretation of "faithful and discreet slave" and all it entails; those are all trivial matters. They do not deny the Christ. They do not question the existence or nature of God. They do not call any Bible doctrinal into question, but I'm confident the elders will consider it heresy, because I refuse to worship their golden calf with them.

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Is it me or do the JW's act like the Circuit Overseer is Jesus himself?

by stillstuckcruz in

i'm sure many have noticed that.

now obviously many more will go out in fs than usual and such because the co brings more "insight" on fs than the usual brothers.

understandable i guess.

WontLeave

After I first came into the religion, when I saw the Kingdom Hall which was normally empty on weekday mornings suddenly fill with axillary pioneers for the month it struck me as odd. People were falling all over themselves to impress this guy and I immediately thought of all the scriptures which talked about doing things for the glory of men.

Then, when I attended my first district convention, a big group of the guys in my Hall were running down a corridor like the place was on fire. One yelled to me "Want to go with us to meet one of the kings of the earth?" A member of the Governing Body was there and they were practically wetting their pants over him. The only thing I felt about him was that he was old and even with his (if I recall correctly) Scottish accent, his talks were boring and he spoke very slowly.

I mentioned how uncomfortable the whole thing made me, every time some official from the Society was around. It's like I was speaking Swahili to these people, as they couldn't fathom why I wouldn't swoon over someone higher up the ladder between the unwashed and God himself. I thought about the times I'd heard them say there is no clergy/laity distinction and was just dumbfounded.

The part that had me most confused is that many of the guys I knew in the congregation were converts. I can maybe understand how a born-in can be so indoctrinated in the proprietary culture and emotions of very close-knit and separatist extremist group, but some of these people had spent decades as human beings yet had decided to become these mindless freaks that I saw.

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VIDEO. Violent bloody protest at the Memorial in Burgas, Bulgaria. 2011

by 3Mozzies in

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you will need to be signed in to youtube to see it, or go to the bulgarian website (link below).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mupvrlg-i8g&.

beat the pastors of jehovah's witnesses and wrecked their prayer house.. story from a bulgarian website - google translated.. .

WontLeave

Oh and BTW, where was 'Jehovah' in all of this? He could supposedly send out two she bears to slaughter a bunch of kids for calling a prophet silly names but couldn't prevent this?

Great... Now you've got their next urban legend started.

"You know, there was this congregation in Bulgaria that was holding Memorial and some protesters broke the door down and started attacking them. Well, all of the sudden, these two bears came out of nowhere. And this was in a city; no woods anywhere nearby. So, the bears started ripping the protesters apart and they scattered. You know the weird part? Nobody made a single call to the police or any animal enforcement about there being bears in the area."

Thanks a lot, Reality.

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I called the KH- "the Memorial is tomorrow night, right?

by moshe in

i called just before noon today- an elder promptly answered the phone.

i told him, " uh, memorial is tomorrow night, right?".

passover starts tomorrow night, after sundown!

WontLeave

The Witnesses bring a lot of the growing "remnant" upon themselves. First of all, they have a long history of deciding who is anointed: Setting deadlines, opening and closing Heaven's door, insisting any newly-anointed are "replacements" because Heaven's full, and decreeing all 1st-century Christians were anointed. With that kind of attitude, it's no wonder people figure they can just start chomping the bread and - bam!- they've made themselves Heaven-bound.

Secondly, the "faithful and discrete slave" are - for all intents and purposes - worshiped. Granted, only the Governing Body really gets the full treatment, but that's a very exclusive good-old-boys' club. Being "anointed" is about the closest the average JW with self-esteem issues can hope to get. Add to that the insulting, condescending way the "other sheep" are treated. The Society comes out and says - in no uncertain terms - they (the anointed) are the whole reason for everything and the other 7M JWs are "companions". So, we're all just sidekicks and they're the superheroes. We're told we are too stupid to understand what the Bible says and we need them to explain it to us. We're told we have to be totally obedient to them and if we find something we don't agree with, that means we "don't understand". They're so great and we're so lame that it's better for us to blindly follow them when they're wrong than think for ourselves and be right.

Ghetto combing, the declining level of education, vastly above-average percentage of mentally ill members, and plummeting quality of people that make up the congregations are going to increase the number whose egos require them to be a big fish (anointed) in their small pond (congregation).

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