Posts by WontLeave

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"this system is in such a financial crisis now! You can see the time is ripe for the end to come!"

by highdose in

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friends

so said a jw to me recently.

they claimed that:.

1)never before in the history of the world has there been another financial crisis like this!.

WontLeave

How about all of human history until the Industrial Revolution? People were slaves, serfs, peasants, sharecroppers, indentured servants, etc. for thousands of years, until relatively recently. Even now, the majority of people on the planet have to work all day just to have the bare necessities of life. (forgive me if I break into a Disney song)

JWs are completely ignorant. Ignorant of other cultures, other countries, other religions, history (even their own), the Bible, science. They just don't know anything. A JW who has any knowledge or intelligence quickly becomes an "apostate".

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JW's are so hot on their views being respected but they do not respect anyone elses!

by highdose in

jw's face a tide of "no"s and "not interested"s everytime they go banging on the doors, surely it would have occurred to them by now that the vast majority of the public don't want to know and don't want them at their doors.

but do they acknowledge or listen to this?

regardless of wether they have priviously been told not to call or not still they come.. they claim that its because jesus has comanded them to do so.

WontLeave

Well, last time I went to a meeting, it was a Hall I'd never attended before. I sat close to the front. Every time one of the JW retards would read their answer directly out of the magazine, I held the magazine up in front of my face and did a typewriter motion, complete with carriage returns at the ends of the lines. Every time someone said something stupid, I snickered and looked around incredulously, obviously to see what idiot said something so moronic. I had a blast. It was the best meeting I'd been to in a while.

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I DONT want their help! :D

by TimothyT in

hello people,.

despite the advice given here, i thought it only fair to tell the elders that are calling me to 'help me' with my sexuality, that i dont want their help!

yesterday one called.. he told me that he and another elder would like to speak with me to find out what the situation is.

WontLeave

The sad part is, JWs are so ignorant that they actually believe they can help you change your mind about your decision to be homosexual. They want to sit down with you and show you some scriptures about the wrong path you've chosen, so you can adjust your thinking. They'll pray with you and talk to you until you get it out of your head and start liking girls again.

Perhaps you watched too many episodes of Will and Grace and it's the worldly influences you've been exposed to that have pushed you toward this. Or maybe too much masturbation (which the 2/15/1976 Watchtower warns on page 14 is stepping stone to homosexuality) has brought you to this point.

Regardless of the reasons you opted for this lifestyle, the way to fix it is to study more Watchtower literature and get out in the preaching work, more. That will make you forget all about following the world and get you back to the straight man every male is born as, before you adopted this position.

Since it's mostly sisters engaging in the ministry, you'll probably find a nice, mature one that will dissuade you of your silly notion to be gay. They will check her publisher records to make sure she's spiritually sound, for you; as it's a simple matter of crunching the numbers on her monthly reports.

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My First DC 'Mentally Out'

by breakfast of champions in

as the title indicates, the 2011 summer convention was my first one 'mentally out', and wow!

how can anyone stand this stuff?

demons, demons everywhere: yes, evidently after jesus kicked satan and his big hornets nest full of demons down to earth in 1914, they're all mean and nasty and just around every corner!

WontLeave

I can't sit through a meeting without laughing at all the ridiculous stuff they say. Last DC I went to was a few years ago and the first day, they started talking about 1975 and were accusing everybody who listened to them of reading more into it that what they'd said. Interestingly, the guy giving the talk couldn't have been more than 5 at the time the things were being written about 1975, so he was just parroting the scripted crap he'd been fed. I couldn't do the other days, so I didn't go back.

I hadn't even researched the 1975 subject, as I was a new member. They brought up something I didn't know about, so I looked into it. This is one of the reasons, I believe JWs are God's organization, just not like they think. He doesn't let them get away with anything. They damn themselves in their own talks, their own literature, their own conversations, their own attitudes and actions as being the Watchtower cult, posing as "true Christianity". The CD-ROM is their undoing, to anyone who wants to get to know what the Watchtower idol is really about.

The Watchtower has the truth. They use it as bait to trap the followers into idolatry. Then, they slip in false doctrines and man-made rules you're expected to follow. The "faithful and discreet slave" isn't mentioned once in the "Bible Teach" book, yet it's their central doctrine. Later, when they're comfortable they have you by the balls, they start to say things to the effect of "Remember where you heard 'the truth' and make sure you give us all credit" type crap. The Bible says about God's true worshipers and Christ's true followers:

So YOU, also, when YOU have done all the things assigned to YOU, say, ‘We are good-for-nothing slaves. What we have done is what we ought to have done.' - Luke 17:10

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Only about 5% of JW (book) Bible studies ever get baptized

by Gayle in

and i would say those are mostly their own children.. 2007 b.s.

546,631 baptized 37,243 6.8%.

and looks like percentage is decreasing, by their own record.

WontLeave

@designs

Even a lot of JWs hate preaching. I can understand, because they have nothing to say. They don't read the Bible, they don't know what they're talking about, they can't answer any questions. They're going out and telling people what to believe, when they are not qualified. It's intimidating, as if throwing a 4th-grader into the job of brain surgeon, especially with all the hype about it being a "life-saving work". That's a lot of pressure on someone who is completely clueless about what they're doing.

Moses and Jeremiah were reluctant to speak, because they didn't feel qualified. When Jehovah gave them his message, they preached with boldness. Once they had something to say, they became confident. Even JWs understand they can't go to someone's door with a bunch of arbitrary decrees from a publishing company. They know what they're supposed to believe, but the vast majority of JWs have no clue why and can't back up hardly any of what they believe with any reputable or respected source.

The arrogance of some elders and pioneers is obvious, in the ministry. They just spout JW opinion as if the householder is supposed to either already know it or blindly agree with it. No scripture, no proof, just their arbitrary parroting of some old man's opinion. Then, when the person at the door doesn't give a toss about what some magazine says they're supposed to believe, the elder or pioneer feels embarrassed, because they believe they are supposed to be uber-preacher, but nobody cares about what they have to say. So, they call the person names on the way back to the car.

A good man brings forth good out of the good treasure of his heart, but a wicked man brings forth what is wicked out of his wicked [treasure]; for out of the heart’s abundance his mouth speaks. - Luke 6:45

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just created a site www.jwfacts.com

by jwfacts in

i just put together a site that tries to logically show the witnesses are not the true religion.

just wondering how to get the information out to people that most need it.

also any ideas on how to get the site found by search engines.

WontLeave

@jwfacts

I hope I didn't come off as nit-picky or superior. You've done a lot more than most to make the Truth tm confront the truth. I'm more of a research guy and the more I read things even the Society writes, the more pissed off I get at long-time JWs. They should know this stuff and they don't care. I can understand the huge turn-over rate, as people learn more and more about "God's organization" and what it truly represents. The Society is it's own worst enemy and the CD-ROM (as censored as it is) is truly a gift from God for anyone looking for real answers about this cult.

I just finished a paper that I know is too long, but I believe hits some key issues with the main problem. I know no "good" JW would read it, but it's got a lot of great WT quotes that are currently available, so a current JW has easy access to verify the information and won't have to go online and look through pdfs of old magazines, which they've been told are "apostate literature", because they're "old light". I think it might have some quotes and points that are newish and give some good ammo for talking to a JW, even if they'd never read it on their own.

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Latest installment in the TL;DR collection. I need an editor.

by WontLeave in

i sat around researching, compiling, and writing this today.

i know it's long, but there's a lot of information in it.

i could probably split it into 2 or more parts.

WontLeave

I should have titled this thread "Do you like kittens?" I think it might have gotten more interest.

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Latest installment in the TL;DR collection. I need an editor.

by WontLeave in

i sat around researching, compiling, and writing this today.

i know it's long, but there's a lot of information in it.

i could probably split it into 2 or more parts.

WontLeave

I sat around researching, compiling, and writing this today. I know it's long, but there's a lot of information in it. I could probably split it into 2 or more parts. As many have said before, it's doubtful an active JW would read it (or anything else), so the content is mainly for our internal (or if you're already out, inter-belief-system) ministry. I think there are some excellent points and I might have touched on some subjects which have been sorely neglected thus far. As always, constructive criticism is invited.

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JW came to my door, 30min. ago.Can not beleive what happen.

by jam in

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friends

a elder and a ms.. ms: good morning sir we like to invite you too a very special talk,.

me: i use too walk with you people, i was a elder.

served in the missionary work and served where the need is.

WontLeave

They won't be back. I've tried talking to JWs and I don't tell them I am a JW. They want you to shut up and listen, because that's what they have to do. Presenting an opinion or knowledge just slows their process. It already takes a year to indoctrinate a potential new member, without resistance. They're not going to rollerskate uphill with you and run the risk of someone tattling on them for talking to "apostates". The Society knows exactly why that rule is in place and that's information control. They'll throw someone out quick who's talking to apostates, because it means he'd be hearing things they don't want him to know and he might spread them to others.

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Undercover Brother Campaign- have you received your invite?

by stuckinamovement in

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friends

without specifics being mentioned as to what it is......(to avoid tipping off certain lurkers).. how many people know about the upcoming summer long campaign?

please use this thread to confirm receipt of your campaign invitation.

take care.

WontLeave

this post about blood transfusions for pets completely threw me

You're right. Sorry to derail the thread. Carry on.