Posts by Vanderhoven7

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STIR CRAZY please help me covid-19 with religious family
by Wagurl in
1. jw
2. experiences
hi need some help with the teachings regarding the 4type horsemen and the virus.

i'm 17 going to be 18 in six months.

i am a running start student and trying to find the best way to move out after i graduate next year to continue.
Vanderhoven7

If you read Matthew 24 you will see that the tribulation was local to Jerusalem and Judaea.; that Christians were to run to the mountains when they saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies, and to pray that their flight would not be in winter or on a Sabbath day. This event was to precede the destruction of the temple and city (not one stone left on another) followed by the dispersion of surviving Jews to all nations. This happened in 70 AD as an unrepeatable event.
Matthew 24 and Luke 21 are parallel passages which should set your mind at ease that Jehovah's Witnesses have no idea how to interpret biblical prophecy and never have.
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A chance for the unrighteous?
by AlainAlam in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
the witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.

i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.

1) no verse says that.
Vanderhoven7

AA,
The point is there will be people who need strong discipline during the 1000 year reign. Neither Christians nor Old Testament saints will require such discipline. Who else, but non-Christians, non-righteous individuals would require such discipline. If you posit a second group of relatively-righteous Christians exist to fill this role, I would like to see what you consider as biblical support.
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A chance for the unrighteous?
by AlainAlam in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
the witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.

i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.

1) no verse says that.
Vanderhoven7

Hi AA,
Do you brlieve the righteous OT saints will need to be smitten and ruled with a rod of iron, i.e., strong discipline?
Also where do you find a second group of Christian believers in scripture that are bereft of the indwelling Spirit, a heavenly hope and are not in the new covenant?
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A chance for the unrighteous?
by AlainAlam in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
the witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.

i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.

1) no verse says that.
Vanderhoven7

Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS

Revelation 20:4 KJV — And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Revelation 20:6 KJV — Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Who are Christ and the anointed going to rule over for a millennium?
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A chance for the unrighteous?
by AlainAlam in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
the witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.

i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.

1) no verse says that.
Vanderhoven7

This begs the question though...
Who are the anointed going to rule over with a rod of iron during the 1000 year reign. Rev.12:5, 19:15
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Nice Street Interviews Just in Time for the Memorial
by Sea Breeze in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqwh_usezpu&feature=youtu.be.
Vanderhoven7

Great street evangelism question: How do you know your sins are forgiven if you are not in the new covenant?
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Do you have any evidence that the GB had bad intent?
by AlainAlam in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
do you have any evidence that the gb had bad intent?

as opposed to blind faith/cognitive dissonance and honest mistakes.. i'm inclined to think they have the best of intentions and are just wrong (primarily because the bible is wrong), but i'm willing to consider the evidence otherwise..
Vanderhoven7

Deliberate efforts to cover up sexual abuse of children is clear evidence of bad intent no matter how many excuses an organization comes up with.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/leaders-jehovahs-witnesses-cover-child-sex-abuse
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Do you have any evidence that the GB had bad intent?
by AlainAlam in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
do you have any evidence that the gb had bad intent?

as opposed to blind faith/cognitive dissonance and honest mistakes.. i'm inclined to think they have the best of intentions and are just wrong (primarily because the bible is wrong), but i'm willing to consider the evidence otherwise..
Vanderhoven7

The GB/FDS' unwillingness to admit to the the magnitude of the child sexual abuse problem and their use lawyers to stave off judgments in favour of the abused is ample evidence of bad intent.
When self preservation including protection for abusers trumps justice and mercy for those abused, assertions of righteousness are nothing less that an abomination.
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A chance for the unrighteous?
by AlainAlam in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
the witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.

i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.

1) no verse says that.
Vanderhoven7

Yes, reminds me of 1 Corinthians 11

31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
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A chance for the unrighteous?
by AlainAlam in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
the witnesses teach that the "unrighteous" are brought back to life in order to learn about god during the 1000-year reign.

i don't think that's a bible teaching, for the following reason:.

1) no verse says that.
Vanderhoven7

I think in general we believe in universal eonian judgment starting with the house of God
JoenB75, I agree that believers are judged first.
Question: What do you believe that judgment is about or for?