looking for a simple explanation of the ransom from a jws perspective..
Thanks for the clarification Steel, Cofty, Carmichael and Joen.
I still don't understand how all Witnesses happily apply the ransom to themselves when they don't see themselves in the New Covenant arrangement and are without the benefits of the blood atonement.
On top of that they see Adam as eternally lost despite the fact of the ransom "payment" was allegedly made for Adam and race.
Any ideas?
looking for a simple explanation of the ransom from a jws perspective..
Looking for a simple explanation of the ransom from a JWs perspective.
praise jehovah with his people.
w73 7/1 pp.
4 consider, too, the fact that jehovah’s organization alone, in all the earth, is directed by god’s holy spirit or active force.
Jackson promised to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth under oath to Jehovah. Instead he chose to bare false witness and mislead the court.
ts lett just repeated from this watchtower.
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April 1, 1967 Watchtower page 197, par 6
Lett just repeated from this watchtower.
ts lett just repeated from this watchtower.
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Great find Fadeaway@
Nowwhat .... just highlight both pic and text and hit the copy button on your phone or control-c on your computer and then paste the pic anywhere you want, on other sites or on a word processor document. Simultaneous Control-c for copy and Control-v for paste.
a powerful recording of the errors of the society.
https://youtu.be/00ragb9pfos.
A Powerful Recording of the errors of the Society
the following list was posted by generation2 in reddit.
perhaps you can add to it.. 1- it's a translation issue.
2- that's how things where then.
Great list of excuses, thought termination cliches, conversation stoppers Seabreeze.
Another
All the answers you need are at JW.org
i am in earnest.
i will not excuse; i will not equivocate;.
i will not retreat a single inch.
Good response.
Interestingly none of the New Testament writers pointed to themselves as objects of salvation, loyalty veneration, worship, but reported as eyewitnesses of Christ's words, life, miracles and resurrection. They all invited individuals to respond directly to God and His Christ for salvation...and promised believers in Christ would receive the gift of the Holy Spirit who alone could reveal Christ to the heart, mind and spirit of believers.
The Watchtower distorts the message, drawing men to themselves, calling for loyalty to themselves and equating themselves with Jehovah. You leave the organization and you have left Jehovah.
Christian's are not responding to men for salvation but to the good news of Christ...whether the messengers themselves down through the ages have read or have not read a single verse of the New Testament.
Take the Holy Spirit out of the equation and you have nothing.
i am in earnest.
i will not excuse; i will not equivocate;.
i will not retreat a single inch.
I am in earnest. I will not excuse; I will not equivocate;
I will not retreat a single inch. And I will be heard."
--William Lloyd Garrison--
15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.16¶All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. II Tim 3:15-17
1. Is the Bible your authority for doctrine?
2. Do you view the scriptures the same way the apostles did? (II Timothy 3:15, 16)
3. Do you believe your religion clearly teaches what the Bible teaches?
4. Could someone studying the Bible alone come up with exactly what you believe?
5. Do you believe that someone who only has the Bible can read it and be saved?
6. Which would you say is the authority for your religious beliefs; the Bible or your church leaders? Which is primary?
7. Could there be a discrepancy between what your religion's leaders teach and what the Bible teaches? Has there ever been?
8. If you discovered a discrepancy between what the Bible says and your religion teaches, which one would you believe?
9. Do doctrinal modifications made by your religious leaders always act as a corrective to change what you believe the Bible teaches?
10. Could the Bible ever act as a corrective to change your beliefs contrary to what your religions leaders teach?
11. If a person puts his complete trust in a Bible scholar, with an “if he says it, I believe it” attitude, would his faith ultimately be in the Bible or the scholar?
12. Do you believe that your religious leaders were given an exclusive an mandate and ability to interpret the Bible for Christians?
13. When and how was that mandate first given? Who were the original recipients? On what basis were they chosen?
14. Is acceptance of your religion's leadership necessary to be saved?
15. If you somehow lost faith in your religion's primary leadership, would you lose your faith in God and the Bible?
16. Do you believe it could be wise to put ones complete faith in fallible men? (Psalm 146:3)
- If Jehovah exalts His word above His name, would it be wise to exalt fallible men above His word?
- Was it wise for JWs in the 20s and 30s to put their faith in leaders who mistakenly condemned smallpox vaccinations as a “direct violation of the everlasting covenant”?
- Could some faithful JWs have died simply because they believed the Watchtower's prohibition against vaccinations was biblical?
- Was it wise for JW farmers to refuse to plant crops in the spring of 1925 because the Watchtower determined that Armageddon would be over by the fall?
- Was it wise for JWs to forgo having children in the 40s and 50s because the Watchtower taught the end was so close that it would be unwise to start families?
- Was it wise for those JWs to refuse cornea transplants in the 60s and 70s because the Watchtower denounced all organ transplants as a sin equivalent to cannibalism?
- Was it wise for JWs in the late 60s and early 70s to be selling their homes, abandoning post secondary education and delivering papers to support their families because the Watchtower taught Armageddon was only months away?
the following list was posted by generation2 in reddit.
perhaps you can add to it.. 1- it's a translation issue.
2- that's how things where then.
They are imperfect men
They are God's channel
