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  Has someone messaged me ?

  by jhine in

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  hi folks .

  i haven't been on for a while and looked in today to see a notification that l had a pm .

  however l can't see anything newer than a couple of months ago , which l had already opened .

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  Vanderhoven7

  Congratulations Jhine

  Now you've got us curious about the luck guy you are engaged to.

  Vander
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  J Dublethink

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm just thinking of examples of jw doublethink.. here's one - jws will tell a bible study or unbaptised publisher that there is no hierarchy within the org.

  they typically remark on christendom's hierarchy but then say 'we are all brothers'.

  but as a person gets further into the cult, jws will constantly stress the need to obey the governing body.. jw hierarchy .

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  Vanderhoven7

  I laugh when they say we have no leaders. Our leader is Christ they add.

  But in the next sentence they talk about those who take the lead...I.e., the GB.
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  Bathing Daily Doesn’t Help The Planet

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  the new york times as well as other news agencies are reporting that in order to help save the planet we should limit our daily bathing.

  they say daily bathing really because popular in the 20th century because elites decided to impress and use petroleum based soaps and take advantage of their indoor plumbing.

  a lot of this daily bathing ritual was just for show.

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  Vanderhoven7

  For those who wish to get rid of BO that hangs around after showering...including foot odor....apply apple-cider vinegar to offensive areas once a week while in the tub moments before you shower. You won't believe the effect. Thank me later....or at least your wife will.

  I am Vander and I approve this message.
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  Street-Talk with Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  street-talk with jehovah's witnesses.

  opening up a street-level dialogue with jehovah's witnesses:.

  since this will probably be a one time occurrence, an important objective of any street encounter is to bless jws with doubt about their beloved organization.. after exchanging niceties, you might say something like:.

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  @Disillusioned JW

  A valid criticism my friend. I will try to rectify that shortly.
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  Who is GOD going to destroy at Armageddon ? Christianity or Islam ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  2. entertainment

  has anybody here been watching the series on stan or anywhere else called the godfather of harlem ?

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  i think it was towards the end of the 3rd episode of series one where the question is raised .. i am so far enjoying the episodes i`ve watched ..

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  Vanderhoven7

  Christendom and Islam with all their adherents are going down at Armageddon according to Watchtower religion. Only Jehovah's Witnesses, with very few exceptions, have a scriptural hope of surviving the coming onslaught.
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  Street-Talk with Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  street-talk with jehovah's witnesses.

  opening up a street-level dialogue with jehovah's witnesses:.

  since this will probably be a one time occurrence, an important objective of any street encounter is to bless jws with doubt about their beloved organization.. after exchanging niceties, you might say something like:.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Hi Phizzy,

  If Witnesses claim that their religion is entirely Bible-based, as they like to do, I will ask them if false prophecy is Bible-based or if adding to scripture is Bible-based?
  

  I will agree that the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses represents Bible-based speculation. But then, of course, Bible-based becomes a meaningless claim when doctrines turn out to be absolutely unbiblical and obviously wrong. E.g. that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were resurrected in 1925 and could be called in Jerusalem and asked to raise granny in 1926.

  I like your strategy of explaining that you are troubled by the hidden WT pedophile problem. Now that the WTS has officially joined the Australian redress scheme it is hard for Witnesses to deny there is a problem.
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  Street-Talk with Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  street-talk with jehovah's witnesses.

  opening up a street-level dialogue with jehovah's witnesses:.

  since this will probably be a one time occurrence, an important objective of any street encounter is to bless jws with doubt about their beloved organization.. after exchanging niceties, you might say something like:.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Hi Jeff,

  Actually before I bless them with doubt, I ask them to tell me how they became Christians, then share my testimony in Christ. That's when I tell them I could not become a Witness.

  Another strategy evangelicals can use is to ask -" How would I benefit by becoming a Witness?" In Christ we have every benefit that they do not possess.... such as eternal life, forgiveness of sin, the righteousness of Christ, acceptance in the beloved, sonship etc.
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  Street-Talk with Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  street-talk with jehovah's witnesses.

  opening up a street-level dialogue with jehovah's witnesses:.

  since this will probably be a one time occurrence, an important objective of any street encounter is to bless jws with doubt about their beloved organization.. after exchanging niceties, you might say something like:.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Street-Talk with Jehovah's Witnesses

  Opening up a street-level dialogue with Jehovah's Witnesses:

  Since this will probably be a one time occurrence, an important objective of any street encounter is to bless JWs with doubt about their beloved organization.

  After exchanging niceties, you might say something like:

  I must confess - I could never become a Jehovah's Witness (Why not?)

  • because I don't believe your religion is Bible-based. (Of it course is!)

  Is it Bible based:

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  • to say that God promised to bring about a new safe system before those who saw the events of 1914 passed away? (?)

    That was taught right up to October 1995. Was that Bible based or speculation based?

    Didn't the Watchtower make God a liar since He made no such promise?

  • to say that organ transplants are cannibalism? (?) Was that Bible based or speculation based?

    Was that Bible based or speculation based? How many Witnesses died unnecessarily when transplants were banned from 1967-1980?

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  • to say that vaccinations represent a breach of the everlasting covenant? (?)

    How many died because vaccinations were banned from 1921 to 1952?

    Was the ban on vaccinations Bible based or speculation based?

  • to say that alternative military service compromises neutrality? (?)

  • How many young JWs in the 60s went to prison because of Watchtower speculation?

  • to teach that Armageddon would occur in 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975 (?)

    Was that Bible based or just prophetic speculation.

  • to teach that one need be associated with and loyally follow men in New York to have eternal life? Where does the Bible teach this?
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  Announcements and Reminders MAY 2021

  by cachito in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  parte de la informacion de los anuncios y recordatorios por parte de la watchtower mes mayo 2021traduccion:"3. agradecimientos por donaciones: elogiamos los esfuerzos de los muchos publicadores que se han adaptado a utilizar métodos electrónicos de donación para apoyar los intereses del reino, como por ejemplo utilizando donate.jw.org.

  se ha hecho un ajuste para unificar la forma en que se reconocen todas las donaciones recibidas en la sucursal.

  una vez que se reciba su donación, se le enviará un recibo por correo electrónico para reconocer el importe de la donación.

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  Vanderhoven7

  "Zions Watch Tower has, we believe, JEHOVAH for its backer, and while this is the case it will never beg nor petition men for support. When He who says: All the gold and silver of the mountains are mine, fails to provide necessary funds, we will understand it to be time to suspend the publication." Consistent with that, there is no begging for money in the literature of Jehovah?s Witnesses."?Jehovah?s Witnesses?Proclaimers of God?s Kingdom, chap. 21, p. 340.

  Charles Taze Russell refused to imitate the churches. He wrote: "It is our judgment that money raised by the various begging devices in the name of our Lord is offensive, unacceptable to him, and does not bring his blessing either upon the givers or the work accomplished."Jehovah?s Witnesses?Proclaimers of God?s Kingdom, chap. 21, p. 342.
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  Do you still talk to the dubs?

  by Iamallcool in

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  2. friends

  just wondering!

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  Vanderhoven7

  Before Covid, I would look for JWs to talk to. on Saturday mornings. Started a study with two Witnesses; one claimed to be an elder. We met about six times, twice at the kingdom hall because they thought I would be somewhat intimidated by the location. Just berfore Covid I had an elder and a female Witness come to my home for a study. The female had already visited a week before and arranged for the elder to come. We discussed interpretive abuse i.e., the distinction between exegesis and eisegesis. They never came back...since their entire religion is based on the latter