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  Can you be a JW who does not have the GB as their leader?

  by DoubtingThomas in

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  i am.. they are just fellow brothers, old and getting senile.... but enlightened, despite all the whining.....

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  "While the small group selected to be taken to heaven have had their sins forgiven from Pentecost of 33 C.E. onward and thus already enjoy the Jubilee, the Scriptures show that the liberation for believing mankind will occur during Christ's Millennial Reign. That will be when he applies to mankind the benefits of his ransom sacrifice." The January 1, 1987 Watchtower, page 30

  The Watchtower organization denies 8 million Jehovah's Witnesses the salvific benefits of a personal relationship with Jesus, i.e., eternal life as a gift, adoption as sons, access to the blood and body of Christ; forgiveness of sins, Christ's imputed righteousness and the indwelling Holy Spirit of God.

  All of this of course, is heresy of the first order.
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  Can you be a JW who does not have the GB as their leader?

  by DoubtingThomas in

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  i am.. they are just fellow brothers, old and getting senile.... but enlightened, despite all the whining.....

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  The disciples. Your point?

  So has the blood of Jesus Christ cleansed you of all your sins? I John 1:7

  Do you have the indwelling Holy Spirit? Romans 8:9-11
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  Are You Concerned About Inflation?

  by Simon in

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  i saw a statistic the other day that something like 25% of all the debt that the us has incurred since 1776 was created in the last 12 months.

  that's because they have printed so much currency and instead of letting that stop them, they are going to continue printing more to go on a spending spree on crazy green-new-deal schemes and union handouts.. does anyone think that this can be anything other than inflationary?

  they are effectively stealing the wealth of everyone to then hand money out to people.

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  Sounds like the biggest danger to the value of the dollar is Biden.
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  JW Broadcasting reeks of desperation

  by oldskool in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  again, i'm a decade removed from the faith.

  i'm catching up now, and can't believe what i'm seeing.. i get that jw leadership faced a dilemma.

  there is no intellectual apparatus within the faith.

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  Well, here is the best of JW Broadcasting

  https://youtu.be/45d2MfKdrU8
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  Can you be a JW who does not have the GB as their leader?

  by DoubtingThomas in

  1. jw
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  i am.. they are just fellow brothers, old and getting senile.... but enlightened, despite all the whining.....

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  DT - Everything hinges on whether or not certain Bible Students in Brooklyn New York were examined and then appointed in 1919 to be the Faithful Slave...and that their mandate was passed on to all subsequent Watchtower leaders.

  If they were you should stick with their teachings. If not, you are free to study the Bible for yourself asking God to guide your understanding.

  My advice, based on their history, is to assume they are not and let the word of God determine what you believe.
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  Can you be a JW who does not have the GB as their leader?

  by DoubtingThomas in

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  i am.. they are just fellow brothers, old and getting senile.... but enlightened, despite all the whining.....

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  DT -There is no such thing as two-tier Christianity in scripture. The 144,000 and the great multitude are the same group being described in two different settings (earthly violence vs heavenly blis) and time periods (pre-vs post parousia). The gospel that 8 million Jehovah's Witnesses embrace is non-salvific and provides no assurance because ii's criteria is works-righteousness involving loyalty and submission to 8 popes in Warwick. Jesus cannot save you without these men.

  Ding - Excellent analysis:

  "There are other groups that don't believe in the Trinity or Hell. The distinctive of Jehovah's Witnesses is loyalty to the organization and the teaching that the GB is Jehovah's appointed faithful and discreet slave who must be obeyed without question."
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  From the WTBS to... CHURCHS???

  by DoubtingThomas in

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  why?????

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  Thomas - The fact is that that the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses is not biblical. By that I mean that every doctrine that is unique and original to Watchtower religion is extra-biblical.
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  David Splane...''Put Up a Hard Fight for the Faith''

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  david splane comes out firing and is relentless as to the reasons why christianity was brought down.

  christianity was not broken down by persecution, but by false brothers and apostate teachings.

  today, jehovah's witnesses face the same danger from false brothers and apostates.

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  Thanks Rules!
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  David Splane...''Put Up a Hard Fight for the Faith''

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  david splane comes out firing and is relentless as to the reasons why christianity was brought down.

  christianity was not broken down by persecution, but by false brothers and apostate teachings.

  today, jehovah's witnesses face the same danger from false brothers and apostates.

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  Does anyone have a link to Splanes talk?
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  If captain Kirk was a pimo, he would ask...

  by nowwhat? in

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  excuse me, but why does god need a movie studio?.

  after all in the new system couldn't he just project visuals across the sky?

  ( star trek final frontier reference).

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  Reminds me of the clairvoyant who put an add in the paper regarding her services. A respondent offered her a great sum of money and at the end under the heading of address wrote. "Oh I'm sure you know"