Posts by Vanderhoven7

here is a brief list of the most common arguments (or statements used in the construction of their arguments) jehovah’s witnesses make that are fallacious in nature:-.

--we are the true religion because we only teach what is written in the bible.

Vanderhoven7

Giles Gray writes

Here is a brief list of the most common arguments (or statements used in the construction of their arguments) Jehovah’s Witnesses make that are fallacious in nature:-

--We are the true religion because we only teach what is written in the bible

This proposition commits the ‘argument from authority’, otherwise known as the ‘argument from false authority’ fallacy. The bible is the claim… not the evidence.

--If Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t have the truth, who does

This argument commits the ‘argument from ignorance’, or ‘the argument from personal incredulity’ fallacy. Jehovah’s Witnesses erroneously conclude that because no other religion has the truth, it has to be their religion that is true (or the closest to the truth).

--There can only be one true religion

This argument fails to consider all possibilities. It could be that ALL religions are untrue, therefore the argument is logically flawed.

-- Jehovah reveals His truth in a ‘progressive’ manner

This argument is a variation of the ‘moving the goalposts’ fallacy. Any teachings that are demonstrated to be false can be instantly replaced, leaving it impossible to falsify their theology. This argument puts a question mark over the Watchtower’s entire teachings. There isn’t a single teaching that could not be subject to change or alteration because of ‘progressive light’. What they believe now can neither be verified nor falsified.

--The mistakes made by the Governing Body are as a result of human imperfection

Similar in nature to the example above…the flaw in this argument is that it can equally be used to excuse the mistaken teachings of every denomination outside of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. As a result, there is no way to distinguish a true religion from a false one, which means every religion is unfalsifiable. There is also no means of falsifying the teachings of the Governing Body. An unfalsifiable position is by its very definition, fallacious.

--We do not listen to the arguments and opinions of apostates and opposers

This argument commits the ad hominem fallacy. The arguments of the Watchtower’s critics are rejected because those individuals are automatically assumed to be wicked and liars, regardless of whether they have valid and sound arguments. Rather than falsify the arguments of their critics, Jehovah’s Witnesses will invalidate their opponents’ position by attacking the person, and not their argument.

--We do not teach the false doctrines of Christendom and false religion

This is a variation of a strawman fallacy. By exposing the ‘false’ teachings of other religions, Jehovah’s Witnesses erroneously conclude that their religion must be true by default. The same mistake is made when they ‘refute’ the Theory of Evolution. Even if it could be demonstrated that the Theory of Evolution was incorrect, it would in no way mitigate the necessity for Jehovah’s Witnesses to meet their burden of proof.

Before concerning themselves with the logical fallacies of others, Jehovah’s Witnesses really ought to recognise their own fallacious arguments. If they were to do so objectively, they would soon realise that they have no valid justification for their religious convictions.

--You can’t disprove our religion / if Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t have the truth then show me who does

Both of these popular JW arguments commit the ‘shifting of the burden of proof’ fallacy. They are commonly used when Jehovah’s Witnesses are pressed over the lack of evidence for their claim of being Divinely ‘appointed’.

The burden of proof belongs exclusively to the person making the positive claim. In the case of Jehovah’s Witnesses, they make the positive declaration that theirs is the only true religion and the ‘truth’. Therefore, Jehovah’s Witnesses automatically adopt the burden of proof. Either their assertion is true, or it is not true. No one else is under obligation to prove that their beliefs are false. To use an adage:-

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

As it stands, Jehovah’s Witnesses are yet to meet their burden of proof.

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Looking for a CSA Video

by Vanderhoven7 in

this will be a short one.. i am looking for a csa court case that was posted months ago that was actually reported to a gb member and nothing was done because of the importance of the individual to the media production.

anyone have the video regarding that case?.

Vanderhoven7

Good point Corney. I wonder if this was settled.

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Looking for a CSA Video

by Vanderhoven7 in

this will be a short one.. i am looking for a csa court case that was posted months ago that was actually reported to a gb member and nothing was done because of the importance of the individual to the media production.

anyone have the video regarding that case?.

Vanderhoven7

@Jofi Oops

@Slidin Fast Thank you. That is the case...not the particular video I was looking for...but all the info is included in this one. There is also a link to the case in the description. So thanks again.

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Looking for a CSA Video

by Vanderhoven7 in

this will be a short one.. i am looking for a csa court case that was posted months ago that was actually reported to a gb member and nothing was done because of the importance of the individual to the media production.

anyone have the video regarding that case?.

Vanderhoven7

This will be a short one.

I am looking for a CSA court case that was posted months ago that was actually reported to a GB member and nothing was done because of the importance of the individual to the media production. Anyone have the video regarding that case?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Vanderhoven7

Catch Lloyd live now

https://youtu.be/oTAv12duue8

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Vanderhoven7

Definitely gossip which no one needs to read or know about. I say take this down pronto

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Correct usage referring to the organization?

by Vanderhoven7 in

which sentences are technically correct.

1 the watchtower keeps changing its doctrines.. 2. the watch tower keeps changing its doctrines.. 3. the watchtower society keeps changing its doctrines.. 4. watchtower keeps changing its doctrines.. 5. watch tower keeps changing its doctrines.. 6. the society keeps changing its doctrines.. 7. the watchtower organization keeps changing its doctrines.. 8. the watch tower organization keeps changing its doctrines..

Vanderhoven7

Thanks, this is helpful.

The Slave keeps changing his doctrines

The Slave keeps changing Watchtower doctrine.

The Slave keeps changing its' doctrines.

I think I'll stick with...Watchtower keeps changing it's doctrines.

They really get riled when I say Watchtower religion or the Watchtower gospel.

I really don't want to say CCoJW because that is an absolute misnomer.

And I seem to use of the term "Slave" only in a derogatory sense.