Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Norway Takes Appropriate Action Against Jehovah’s Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

i hope other countries follow suit.. https://youtu.be/pfw9xzugcms.

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I'll try to find where I picked this up and report back to you Biahi.

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Norway Takes Appropriate Action Against Jehovah’s Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

i hope other countries follow suit.. https://youtu.be/pfw9xzugcms.

Watchtower is under Increasing scrutiny due to policies that shuns members for no longer believing, for reproving and shunning witnesses for drug and alcohol addictions. Attempted suicide is treated as a serious sin. WT is also under scrutiny for it's ongoing failure to protect JW children from the pandemic of child sexual abuse by JW paedophiles. They consistently refuse to warn their congregants and cooperate with authorities when they learn a JW child has been abused by a JW.

Elders are being indicted for covering up child sexual abuse. Governing Body being directly sued by Deborah Hines' attorneys for doing nothing when they knew her JW stepfather was raping her at Bethel in the 80s. Gerrit Losch is also alleged to have done nothing. This was prior to his being elected to the Governing Body. But he held a high position at the time.

Adultery, crime, alcohol and drug addition are Not uncommon among witnesses. Depression is common. To assert otherwise is an utter fallicy. Elders do Not alert the congregation or report to police when they become aware a JW commits a crime, especially child sexual abuse. It’s in Chapter 14 of their *secret* Shepherd The Flock rulebook.

Image is Paramount for Watchtower. “Spiritual Paradise" proved a big lie to victims of JW Paedophiles. Elders do Not report crimes, including murder to police but leave it to the offender. Elder admitted to this under oath.

Exception regarding reporting crime: When a kingdom hall is burglarized or vandalized. This can be found in Chapter 21 of the “Shepherd The Flock Of God” rulebook. “Shepherd The Flock Of God” was leaked online and can be downloaded at “JW Facts".

To assert that witnesses are immune from terrible crimes is demonstrably false. Also the use of anti-depressants is common among rank and file Jehovah's Witnesses Including Bethelites. Former JW Bethel nurses spoke about this.

While most religions have programs to help people in need Watchtower does not. When disasters strike Watchtower uses volunteer witnesses to help with free labor, to rebuild witness homes, before helping anyone else.

They do not help shunned JWs. They must reply on other Churches. Many Churches were surprised at the number of active Jehovah's Witnesses they help due to Watchtower's failure. Kingdom Halls keep no community storage with necessities to help individuals in need. Witnesses have spoken out about the surprise they felt at finding kindness demonstrated by “worldly" churches when their own faith did nothing.

When Watchtower does help rebuild houses, it bills the Insurance companies to recoup the costs of rebuilding. They also bill insurance for labor, despite the fact that there are no labor costs. Volunteer JWs receive no pay. WT pockets this as profit.

Authorities have encouraged Watchtower to set up a 24 hour free hotline for JW victims of sexual abuse. The other religions agreed to do this. Watchtower has consistently refused. Why? Because Paedophilia has reached all the way to the Governing Body. January 1, 1986 p. 13. Rampant paedophilia continues. See silentlambs.org and “Watchtower Documents Barbara”.

It is known Internationally that Watchtower is especially dark in attempts to cover up child sexual abuse for Decades. WT keeps an International Database of JW Paedophiles and known victims. They have consistently refused to turn it over to authorities even when heavily fined into the millions of dollars. If WT was concerned about Jehovah's name, this would not be the case.

Drinking is also common at Bethel from the top down. So much so that Bethelites are also assigned to smashing liquor bottles so garbage collectors are not aware of the of the level of alcohol consumed.

To find list of JW crimes including murder, scams, stalking, domestic abuse and paedophilia,

Google:

“Crimes Committed by Jehovah's Witnesses AAWA",

“JW Crime Map-AAWA.co”

“List of Jehovah's Witnesses Convicted Paedophiles”,

“Roderick Watkins JW Paedophile Sentenced To 80 Years Prison”,

“Candace Conti”,

Many child abuse advocates want to see Watchtower lose it's status as a charity until it changes it's “2 Witness" rule for child sexual abuse. And when it actively reports accusations of child sexual abuse to authorities.

With Regards 💙

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Norway Takes Appropriate Action Against Jehovah’s Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

i hope other countries follow suit.. https://youtu.be/pfw9xzugcms.

Vanderhoven7

Something tells me that the Watchtower will suddenly get new light on disfellowshipping before this spreads.

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Norway Takes Appropriate Action Against Jehovah’s Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

i hope other countries follow suit.. https://youtu.be/pfw9xzugcms.

Vanderhoven7

I hope other countries follow suit.

https://youtu.be/PfW9xzUGCms

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JW’s and Charity Organizations

by longgone in

i was wondering if anyone is aware of the jw’s in general being involved financially and/or as volunteers in charity organizations?

i was a born in jw for 56 years and left in 2016. as far as i remember there was never any encouragement to help in the community in any way.

including soup kitchens, tutoring at schools, united way, etc.

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@Longone

Try

https://youtu.be/dTRIYeCwQeE

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Jehovah's Witnesses and logical fallacies

by Vanderhoven7 in

giles gray writes.

here is a brief list of the most common arguments (or statements used in the construction of their arguments) jehovah’s witnesses make that are fallacious in nature:-.

--we are the true religion because we only teach what is written in the bible.

Vanderhoven7

Giles Gray writes

Here is a brief list of the most common arguments (or statements used in the construction of their arguments) Jehovah’s Witnesses make that are fallacious in nature:-

--We are the true religion because we only teach what is written in the bible

This proposition commits the ‘argument from authority’, otherwise known as the ‘argument from false authority’ fallacy. The bible is the claim… not the evidence.

--If Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t have the truth, who does

This argument commits the ‘argument from ignorance’, or ‘the argument from personal incredulity’ fallacy. Jehovah’s Witnesses erroneously conclude that because no other religion has the truth, it has to be their religion that is true (or the closest to the truth).

--There can only be one true religion

This argument fails to consider all possibilities. It could be that ALL religions are untrue, therefore the argument is logically flawed.

-- Jehovah reveals His truth in a ‘progressive’ manner

This argument is a variation of the ‘moving the goalposts’ fallacy. Any teachings that are demonstrated to be false can be instantly replaced, leaving it impossible to falsify their theology. This argument puts a question mark over the Watchtower’s entire teachings. There isn’t a single teaching that could not be subject to change or alteration because of ‘progressive light’. What they believe now can neither be verified nor falsified.

--The mistakes made by the Governing Body are as a result of human imperfection

Similar in nature to the example above…the flaw in this argument is that it can equally be used to excuse the mistaken teachings of every denomination outside of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. As a result, there is no way to distinguish a true religion from a false one, which means every religion is unfalsifiable. There is also no means of falsifying the teachings of the Governing Body. An unfalsifiable position is by its very definition, fallacious.

--We do not listen to the arguments and opinions of apostates and opposers

This argument commits the ad hominem fallacy. The arguments of the Watchtower’s critics are rejected because those individuals are automatically assumed to be wicked and liars, regardless of whether they have valid and sound arguments. Rather than falsify the arguments of their critics, Jehovah’s Witnesses will invalidate their opponents’ position by attacking the person, and not their argument.

--We do not teach the false doctrines of Christendom and false religion

This is a variation of a strawman fallacy. By exposing the ‘false’ teachings of other religions, Jehovah’s Witnesses erroneously conclude that their religion must be true by default. The same mistake is made when they ‘refute’ the Theory of Evolution. Even if it could be demonstrated that the Theory of Evolution was incorrect, it would in no way mitigate the necessity for Jehovah’s Witnesses to meet their burden of proof.

Before concerning themselves with the logical fallacies of others, Jehovah’s Witnesses really ought to recognise their own fallacious arguments. If they were to do so objectively, they would soon realise that they have no valid justification for their religious convictions.

--You can’t disprove our religion / if Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t have the truth then show me who does

Both of these popular JW arguments commit the ‘shifting of the burden of proof’ fallacy. They are commonly used when Jehovah’s Witnesses are pressed over the lack of evidence for their claim of being Divinely ‘appointed’.

The burden of proof belongs exclusively to the person making the positive claim. In the case of Jehovah’s Witnesses, they make the positive declaration that theirs is the only true religion and the ‘truth’. Therefore, Jehovah’s Witnesses automatically adopt the burden of proof. Either their assertion is true, or it is not true. No one else is under obligation to prove that their beliefs are false. To use an adage:-

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

As it stands, Jehovah’s Witnesses are yet to meet their burden of proof.

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Looking for a CSA Video

by Vanderhoven7 in

this will be a short one.. i am looking for a csa court case that was posted months ago that was actually reported to a gb member and nothing was done because of the importance of the individual to the media production.

anyone have the video regarding that case?.

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Good point Corney. I wonder if this was settled.

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Looking for a CSA Video

by Vanderhoven7 in

this will be a short one.. i am looking for a csa court case that was posted months ago that was actually reported to a gb member and nothing was done because of the importance of the individual to the media production.

anyone have the video regarding that case?.

Vanderhoven7

@Jofi Oops

@Slidin Fast Thank you. That is the case...not the particular video I was looking for...but all the info is included in this one. There is also a link to the case in the description. So thanks again.

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Looking for a CSA Video

by Vanderhoven7 in

this will be a short one.. i am looking for a csa court case that was posted months ago that was actually reported to a gb member and nothing was done because of the importance of the individual to the media production.

anyone have the video regarding that case?.

Vanderhoven7

This will be a short one.

I am looking for a CSA court case that was posted months ago that was actually reported to a GB member and nothing was done because of the importance of the individual to the media production. Anyone have the video regarding that case?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

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Catch Lloyd live now

https://youtu.be/oTAv12duue8